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Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 9: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #135
I think Owies is worth persisting with as the small forward. Eddie is in his last season and has been able to play up the ground a bit in recent weeks with Owies there. Owies goes in hard and looks to be a pretty reliable set shot. I doubt he's going to be a 20 possession type player but looks capable of kicking goals when he gets it.

Just read that Kemp is likely to play in the VFL this week. He'll be 4-5 weeks at least away but at 193cm, he could be just what we need down back. Parks has looked shaky in the last couple of weeks.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 9: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #136
Eddie hasn't called it a day as yet ... and nor should he.  He stays imo

 

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 9: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #137
Parks has looked shaky in the last couple of weeks.
I don't agree he's looked fine to me, what is expected from a 5th gamer?
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Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 9: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #138
I don't agree he's looked fine to me, what is expected from a 5th gamer?

Seriously?

He was pushed off the ball with ease, his kicking is ordinary at best. He was bought into the side as an intercept marker, which apart from his first game, I haven't seen. Luke has done two memorable things, the tackle on Lukosius and the tackle on Tippa. Other than that he's been well below par.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 9: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #139
Seriously?

He was pushed off the ball with ease, his kicking is ordinary at best. He was bought into the side as an intercept marker, which apart from his first game, I haven't seen. Luke has done two memorable things, the tackle on Lukosius and the tackle on Tippa. Other than that he's been well below par.
Lets see how he responds this week.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 9: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #140
Weren't good enough. Still four goals away from matching it with the best sides. It is hard to know how good we are because we never get close to putting our best side on the park. Silvagni, C.Curnow, Martin, Fisher, McGovern, Marchbank, DeKonning all not in the side and we lose Cuningham in the first minute. I think they had a plan for Lever and Cuningham was that plan. Parks had a shocker and Pittonet was dismantled by Gawn. Moving Docherty to the wing was a good move but the backline needs to be stable and moving players in and out does not lead to stability. Melbournes's forward line functioned well but we did force them wide. We don't have enough goal kicking options and we seem to be reviving the late 80's game plan of kicking it to Kernahan in the shape of Harry McKay. we need other options coming at the ball. I thought we won the midfield battle, despite Gawn's dominance, however when they got out they were very damaging. Having Stocker, Setterfield and Fogarty running through there gave us more depth. Once again our field kicking and kicking to the forwards was sub-par, as was our decision making. We either don't get to where we need to be for the next step in the chain or we fail to execute by hitting targets which also brings the whole process undone. I would like to see some of Dow, SPS, Honey and O'Brien in the side to give us more spread, as well as run and carry. Big call out to Big H, I think in the past he has let the physicality to affect him but he was big strong and tough on Sunday.

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 9: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #141
I think Owies is worth persisting with as the small forward. Eddie is in his last season and has been able to play up the ground a bit in recent weeks with Owies there. Owies goes in hard and looks to be a pretty reliable set shot. I doubt he's going to be a 20 possession type player but looks capable of kicking goals when he gets it.

Just read that Kemp is likely to play in the VFL this week. He'll be 4-5 weeks at least away but at 193cm, he could be just what we need down back. Parks has looked shaky in the last couple of weeks.

Reckon young Kemp might be a tad taller than 193cm....and he's listed 5kg lighter than Parks!
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 9: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #142
Our recruiting over the last years particularly mids has been woeful
Add some horrible trades recruiting total spuds from other clubs plus giving too long contracts to blokes who don’t deserve them and this is what you get
The coach had a shocker of the week but the club itself is the problem
Starts at board level
I said last year we won’t go anywhere in 2021
Everyone over the moon about Williams and Saad
Saad is one dimensional
Williams is a HBF that’s all he is
Our depth is crap
The club doesn’t seem to have the capacity to actually know where it’s really at
It overrates its list condo
Add gifting games to Murphy is adding insult to injury
But sacking the coach will not solve the club’s problems
The President and Judd departing at the end 2021 might trigger the real change we need

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 9: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #143
Williams was a good half back flanker who played some handy games as a mid with one of the best midfields in the comp.
Our midfield isnt as good as the star studded GWS lineup and playing on a half back flank with us means a lot of defending and a lot less attacking as Adam Saad can tell him. You add in a sore achillies and Williams is just another average player until we get better players around him.

Setterfield...hard contested footy isnt his go, he has pulled the hand brake a few times and is better suited to tagging or a wing or sitting behind the ball. He wont ever be the player we need to help Cripps but may be handy as depth.
Gibbons...a rookie from the VFL, moneyball depth player, small, lacks a yard of pace and vs the big mids cant handle a midfield role. Better down forward IMO but with Betts, Owies, Martin and Fisher isnt going to be featuring in the future much.
Newnes......done his job, filled in for players like Obrien, Dow, SPS who should have displaced him but are not up to it....dont blame Newnes blame the recruiters. Newnes like Gibbons has held up his end of the bargain, you got what you paid for.....

Fogarty....does most things well but finish, you need your Indians like Fogarty but he wont ever be a chief....

Pittonet...VFL ruck in the main who like Gibbons and Newnes has given value for what he cost. Wont ever be a matchwinner and
was recruited to be a Barnaby French to hold the fort until the cavalry arrived.
Not sure what some expected of him..he is a soldier but wont ever be a General..

This is why getting Ben Crocker will only achieve fill in type results, he will probably kick goals vs the weak teams but wont impact vs the heavyweights.
The messiah in Charlie Curnow will probably be decending very slowly from the summit with a knee brace so as Lods pointed out I wouldnt be expecting miracles or him turning gatorade into wine either..

More than likely we need to head back to the draft table and be big players in trade week and use what commodities we have as trade bait while they still have some value like SPS.
Its not a rebuild required but a reset with an emphasis on bigger bodied harder players who can take and impart pressure better than the fill in types we have recruited..


Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 9: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #144
Williams was a good half back flanker who played some handy games as a mid with one of the best midfields in the comp.
Our midfield isnt as good as the star studded GWS lineup and playing on a half back flank with us means a lot of defending and a lot less attacking as Adam Saad can tell him. You add in a sore achillies and Williams is just another average player until we get better players around him.

Setterfield...hard contested footy isnt his go, he has pulled the hand brake a few times and is better suited to tagging or a wing or sitting behind the ball. He wont ever be the player we need to help Cripps but may be handy as depth.
Gibbons...a rookie from the VFL, moneyball depth player, small, lacks a yard of pace and vs the big mids cant handle a midfield role. Better down forward IMO but with Betts, Owies, Martin and Fisher isnt going to be featuring in the future much.
Newnes......done his job, filled in for players like Obrien, Dow, SPS who should have displaced him but are not up to it....dont blame Newnes blame the recruiters. Newnes like Gibbons has held up his end of the bargain, you got what you paid for.....

Fogarty....does most things well but finish, you need your Indians like Fogarty but he wont ever be a chief....

Pittonet...VFL ruck in the main who like Gibbons and Newnes has given value for what he cost. Wont ever be a matchwinner and
was recruited to be a Barnaby French to hold the fort until the cavalry arrived.
Not sure what some expected of him..he is a soldier but wont ever be a General..

This is why getting Ben Crocker will only achieve fill in type results, he will probably kick goals vs the weak teams but wont impact vs the heavyweights.
The messiah in Charlie Curnow will probably be decending very slowly from the summit with a knee brace so as Lods pointed out I wouldnt be expecting miracles or him turning gatorade into wine either..

More than likely we need to head back to the draft table and be big players in trade week and use what commodities we have as trade bait while they still have some value like SPS.
Its not a rebuild required but a reset with an emphasis on bigger bodied harder players who can take and impart pressure better than the fill in types we have recruited..


Williams was a good half back flanker who played some handy games as a mid with one of the best midfields in the comp.
Our midfield isnt as good as the star studded GWS lineup and playing on a half back flank with us means a lot of defending and a lot less attacking as Adam Saad can tell him. You add in a sore achillies and Williams is just another average player until we get better players around him.

Setterfield...hard contested footy isnt his go, he has pulled the hand brake a few times and is better suited to tagging or a wing or sitting behind the ball. He wont ever be the player we need to help Cripps but may be handy as depth.
Gibbons...a rookie from the VFL, moneyball depth player, small, lacks a yard of pace and vs the big mids cant handle a midfield role. Better down forward IMO but with Betts, Owies, Martin and Fisher isnt going to be featuring in the future much.
Newnes......done his job, filled in for players like Obrien, Dow, SPS who should have displaced him but are not up to it....dont blame Newnes blame the recruiters. Newnes like Gibbons has held up his end of the bargain, you got what you paid for.....

Fogarty....does most things well but finish, you need your Indians like Fogarty but he wont ever be a chief....

Pittonet...VFL ruck in the main who like Gibbons and Newnes has given value for what he cost. Wont ever be a matchwinner and
was recruited to be a Barnaby French to hold the fort until the cavalry arrived.
Not sure what some expected of him..he is a soldier but wont ever be a General..

This is why getting Ben Crocker will only achieve fill in type results, he will probably kick goals vs the weak teams but wont impact vs the heavyweights.
The messiah in Charlie Curnow will probably be decending very slowly from the summit with a knee brace so as Lods pointed out I wouldnt be expecting miracles or him turning gatorade into wine either..

More than likely we need to head back to the draft table and be big players in trade week and use what commodities we have as trade bait while they still have some value like SPS.
Its not a rebuild required but a reset with an emphasis on bigger bodied harder players who can take and impart pressure better than the fill in types we have recruited..

All very very well said!

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 9: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #145
Reckon we're one gun mid away from getting it together - had hoped it would be Dow or Setterfield.

Kemp? As a Kouta type utility/mid? Maybe.

Hunter would have been good, ditto Oliver albeit different players.

Merrett is certainly something we lack - zippy, finds the pill, bit of an accumulator too, gets it inside 50 quickly - perfect for Charlie and Harry.

Not sure he goes missing too often - see below, consistent numbers this year - and stacks up well statistically with Josh Kelly.

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=6&playerStatus2=A&tid2=25&type=A&pid1=3943&pid2=3919&fid1=C&fid2=C
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 9: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #146
Reckon we're one gun mid away from getting it together - had hoped it would be Dow or Setterfield.

Kemp? As a Kouta type utility/mid? Maybe.

Hunter would have been good, ditto Oliver albeit different players.

Merrett is certainly something we lack - zippy, finds the pill, bit of an accumulator too, gets it inside 50 quickly - perfect for Charlie and Harry.

Not sure he goes missing too often - see below, consistent numbers this year - and stacks up well statistically with Josh Kelly.

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=6&playerStatus2=A&tid2=25&type=A&pid1=3943&pid2=3919&fid1=C&fid2=C
Id go after Libba although doesn't fit our age profile...yet
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time


Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 9: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #148
We need a young Libba......dirty, big balls, manic attack on the ball
I just added he doesn't fit our age profile, he is the type of kent we need in the guts.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 9: Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #149
I just added he doesn't fit our age profile, he is the type of kent we need in the guts.
I would have added with a cheap looking Homer Simpson tatt too.....you have to be tough to rock some of the child like artwork he has on his body, ditto Josh Bruce...both must have gone to the bloke in the pub carpark to get those done..