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Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 15: Carlton vs. Freo

Reply #120
Only beaten 2 top 8 sides. Our game was Richmondesque, reverted that way when we lost Charlie. It meant if we couldn't get the ball into the 50 cleanly we got it in any which way we could then fought like crap with pressure to keep it there. Richmond won a flag with that style. Didn't look pretty but they soon got on top of their opposition with the constant pressure allowing more free scoring late. We got 5 goals in the last qtr allowing us to win.

The contrast between what Richmond do and what we did in the Freo game is like night and day. It's like comparing an original hard copy document with a copy of a copy of a copy - the latter gets to the point where you can't differentiate between a 2, a Z and a squiggle.

If you think the Freo game is an example of a sustainable game style that will win us a good number of games, I'm not sure what to say.

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 15: Carlton vs. Freo

Reply #121
I don't think that there would be too many thinking we are a good side yet.  But the ability to kick and gouge our way to some affirming wins is a good start based on what we've had to suffer for years.

The way we were able to get Freo playing into our hands last weekend was enormous. How many times did Marchbank, Weitering, Jones, etc. intercept mark a long kick out of defense. It might not look pretty but it takes a lot of planning and commitment to get that happening.

Freo were sucking back all of their players into D50 - to get it out of there they were relying on some sort of relieving mark. The work our guys put in to deny them that for basically all of the last 3 quarters was impressive.

As much as the game looked like a scrap that was mostly because Freo went for the Ross Lyon 16 man defensive 50 tactic which cut off space.

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 15: Carlton vs. Freo

Reply #122
The contrast between what Richmond do and what we did in the Freo game is like night and day. It's like comparing an original hard copy document with a copy of a copy of a copy - the latter gets to the point where you can't differentiate between a 2, a Z and a squiggle.

If you think the Freo game is an example of a sustainable game style that will win us a good number of games, I'm not sure what to say.

Why are you so sad all the time?

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 15: Carlton vs. Freo

Reply #123
We've troubled 3 from 3 so far.

We are clearly playing a more dedicated brand of footy.
We were noncompetitive with Bolton, far too often.

We also troubled GC, Hawks and Pies earlier in the season, but you were very quick to write those off. And we smashed the Dogs in R5, and at that point, crickets.


Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 15: Carlton vs. Freo

Reply #125
Despite being in the Top 8 Freo is a very low scoring side, that helped us enormously.

It's a big reason why I don't want Ross Lyon, his teams never put the opposition away!

Watching us under Teague, if our backline stays fit, I get the feeling we will have a break out winning margin before the season is over.
The Force Awakens!

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 15: Carlton vs. Freo

Reply #126
We've troubled sides in almost every game weve played this season.  There were only 3 abject failures.  Gws, north Melbourne and the bombers.

We've played at least one uncompetitive quarter in every match this season.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 15: Carlton vs. Freo

Reply #127
We've troubled sides in almost every game weve played this season.  There were only 3 abject failures.  Gws, north Melbourne and the bombers.

We've played at least one uncompetitive quarter in every match this season.

Our effort is unquestionable, abject failures aside.
I noticed the running stats on AFL.com. those figures are consistent with our boys doing the hard yards. Building confidence via some W's and the skill errors will decline. We're then on track imo.
Win a couple more of the close one's and it's a reasonable season at this stage of the rebuild. 
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 15: Carlton vs. Freo

Reply #128
The contrast between what Richmond do and what we did in the Freo game is like night and day. It's like comparing an original hard copy document with a copy of a copy of a copy - the latter gets to the point where you can't differentiate between a 2, a Z and a squiggle.

If you think the Freo game is an example of a sustainable game style that will win us a good number of games, I'm not sure what to say.

I don't look at last week's win in terms of how they went about it.  I am far more interested in motivation and hunger.

Consider this - we had a young side playing on hostile foreign soil without our very best player and captain.  Our second-best forward is also in the grandstand, and we lose our best forward within 10 minutes of the opening bounce.

We go 5 goals down at quarter time and haven't scored one single major.  We have the next 17 inside 50's and get back in to the game with goals coming from all types of sources.  It goes goal for goal until we fall 15 points down with 6 minutes left on the playing clock.  Even David King said at this point it had been an unbelievable effort despite how the result was looking.

We kick the next three goals in 4 minutes and pinch the lead.  They snaffle a goal with a minute or so left on the clock and that would have previously knocked the stuffing out of us. But they fight, scrap and scramble and with a pinch of luck, get the job done.  We kicked 11 goals in 3/4 of footy in the wet without our two best forwards and superstar midfielder.

Despite all the naysaying about how badly Freo played, and how scrappy it was, I think this was one of the greatest victories this club has had in 10 years.  This was a victory over adversity, and a victory over self-doubt.

These type of victories can build a team much quicker than any 5 goal win which might look much prettier, but doesn't do as much for the psyche.
This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

 

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 15: Carlton vs. Freo

Reply #129
Calling it luck is a bit bah humbug if you ask me.
Sure we gave them a start and weren’t even on the field in Q1, but to come back from over 5 goals down, then again from 2 goals down in the last quarter shows a lot of desire, effort and hard work.
The boys weren’t pretty, but that was a pretty major achievement.

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 15: Carlton vs. Freo

Reply #130
Our effort is unquestionable, abject failures aside.
I noticed the running stats on AFL.com. those figures are consistent with our boys doing the hard yards. Building confidence via some W's and the skill errors will decline. We're then on track imo.
Win a couple more of the close one's and it's a reasonable season at this stage of the rebuild.

It's not always the case that you get reward for doing the work(reward vs effort), sometimes you are better off doing the work so you can more easily identify a shortcut that brings reward with less effort!
The Force Awakens!

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 15: Carlton vs. Freo

Reply #131
It's not always the case that you get reward for doing the work(reward vs effort), sometimes you are better off doing the work so you can more easily identify a shortcut that brings reward with less effort!

We were not getting reward for effort under Bolton...and IMO, that is what ultimately sunk him.

I was posting at the time that nobody would remember the close losses where we were hard done by, just the 'L' that came with it.

With that thinking in mind...
We were down by 4 goals against Brisbane early in the 3rd. If we had a good comeback but ultimately fell short, it could've been heartbreaking.
Next week, we go down to the dogs by 3 points after giving them a good start. 2 weeks in a row is demoralising.
When we go goalless and 5 goals down in the 1st against Freo, you reckon we don't think...."Here we go again" and drop our bundle?

No, because that first week with Teague we managed to get a 'w' at the end of the day (basically from Cripps super human effort) and it completely changes our thinking, confidence and direction as a football team.

Now what if we didn't lose the gold coast game in the last minute....would our path be different?
Now what if we had 2 seconds more on the clock against the Hawks....would our path be different?
Now what if we didn't get screwed over by the umps against the pies.....would our path be different?
Should i continue??

Look, i'm happy we are winning.
I'm happy for Teague,
But mostly, i'm happy we finally got a bit of luck as ultimately that has been the big difference between the post Bolton and pre-teague eras. Luck!

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 15: Carlton vs. Freo

Reply #132
I'll take the win any day and every day, but I think some assessments of that game are very sugar coated. Ordinary skills, behind on the scoreboard most of the night, not turning up to play, as flyboy says, Freo lost it rather than the other way around. If the siren sounds 40 seconds earlier, if Murphy kicks a behind or OOF etc., the post game emotion and analysis is very different. Teague says so himself. Watch his post game presser. Apart from the final result, that's not how good teams go about it. Yes, I know it's early days, and I hope Teague smashes it, but we won't be troubling too many sides with that display.

IF Ed had hunted his own aggott and SOJ went straight to Fyfe from the start we'd have won by 5 goals... good old IF. And IF we'd sacked BB last year we might be top 4 now...

In the pre match chats everyone at ground level was talking about the rain and the effect it would have on skills.

And you missed the point. You're talking 'luck' and I'm talking about the effects that committed aggression have on attitude... which makes 'luck'.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 15: Carlton vs. Freo

Reply #133
IF Ed had hunted his own aggott and SOJ went straight to Fyfe from the start we'd have won by 5 goals... good old IF. And IF we'd sacked BB last year we might be top 4 now...

In the pre match chats everyone at ground level was talking about the rain and the effect it would have on skills.

And you missed the point. You're talking 'luck' and I'm talking about the effects that committed aggression have on attitude... which makes 'luck'.

Nothing makes luck. That's the point. It's random.

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 15: Carlton vs. Freo

Reply #134
I feel like there’s no way to please people sometimes.

We won a game interstate, top 8 team, down two of our best (Cripps and doch) two of our next best out (H and Charlie), it’s raining, crap conditions, vocal home crowd, umps free kicking to home bias in 1&2&3 quarters, missed some sitters, got in front miraculously, lost that lead with 1.30 minutes to go, kicked another all-team Goal to get back in front and held on to win!

Enjoy it, celebrate it, it was a bloody fantastic win!!!  Stop being Debby Downers about it and be proud of them and will them on this well, to show the same great attitude they showed for 3 quarters and hope they bring it for all 4!