Fair enough about Aaron. Who are the names that could be those types of players? Oscar Allen maybe? With Morris doing so well at Brissie, could Allen be worth a shot. Scored 53 goal just two years ago. I'm not so sure about him but just throwing names out there.
BR, Allen has been offered six years at Brisbane on decent money and lacks a bit of intensity imo for the contest. Brisbane can have him for that type of contract, as I said Id be looking at cheaper options who can provide a bit more teamwork down forward and be creative as well as kick a few goals themselves.
Most players would lack appetite with that mob. Just hoping we're seriously speaking to other players. They haven't addressed the midfield issues which would likely mean they were happy with the list. Jagga wasn't the instant remedy and now we're paying for it. Seems obvious from the outside and maybe they have tried without luck but it certainly doesn't look like it which infuriates me.
Naughton as Prof said is on big bucks and is unreliable kicking for goal. With Jamara probably on the way out I'd expect Naughton to be a required player to pair with Darcy. We need to get a Mihocek, cheap, reliable, and effective. If you want to have good smalls then you need good bigs who can work with them and be unselfish and that's why Elliott, Hill etc at Collingwood prosper with a FF who is prepared to support his teammates.
Fair enough about Aaron. Who are the names that could be those types of players? Oscar Allen maybe? With Morris doing so well at Brissie, could Allen be worth a shot. Scored 53 goal just two years ago. I'm not so sure about him but just throwing names out there.
Try McNaughton is on one of biggest, longest term contracts on the league.
Cheers, am wondering if dogs would pay some of his contract to move him on. JUH is likely to leave and they'll need to pay Darcy what he's worth so Naughton may be surplus to needs. His salary may be just too much and thanks to those who brought this up but this is an example of how clubs with current good culture leverage to get players in. We need to get creative before Tassie comes in otherwise a premiership tilt could be 2 decades away
Naughton is on huge money and is under pressure for not delivering, kicks a lot of points.
So we can get him for nothing as long as we fit the bill? How big is that bill, has it been made public? Not disagreeing but this is the sort of stuff we don't do well as a club.
Although not on this thread, I have been very negative about our list with my blues group for the last 3 years. This included our great run. The decider for me was being 30 points in front at the quarter break against Brisbane in the prelim only to taper out so easily. I was glad we didn't make the GF that year as we would have been embarrassed and would have taken us at least a decade to recover from it. I have said for many years that our midfield is slow and one paced and we have never addressed it. I've mentioned this on this site that we need to get rid of two of our top 5 players that can garner really good picks but as usual this is met with trepidation. We have no currency as it stands in trading mid tier players so we have to give away players with actual currency and yes this is either Curnow, Walsh or McKay. I am resigned to TDK leaving so there's no point mentioning him. That leaves us with one of the mentioned three to leave and get picks back and use them for quality speedy players that can have an instant impact. We need to remove the forward coach and any that are not performing. Keep Voss if he is accepting that his gameplan doesn't work and hold up in modern day footy, and he immediately starts working on a more aesthetic brand of football because currently we are the most boring team to watch in the AFL. If he thinks he is not up to reinventing himself, then we would need to find a replacement. If we happen to keep Walsh, let's hope his body is right and has a great uninterrupted pre season. Possibly make him captain as Cripps is on borrowed time. He has been enormous for the club but relieving him of the the pressure will be good for him and Walsh can step up and lead the club as we all think is capable of. Keep playing kids and decide who stays. In terms of our forward line, it is not working and need to find an established player outside of the club who may not have the absolute talent, but one that is willing to give his all for the jumper. I know I'll get roasted for this but has anyone enquired about Naughton from the dogs? He wouldn't cost us much too I reckon. Or I may be completely off there but I hope the club is looking at things like this as this is just not sustainable the way we are operating at the moment. I pay a lot of money for my family's membership and this is the first year I have contemplated in downgrading it to cheaper seats as I feel I am wasting my hard earned. After all I am the consumer and if I don't like the product, then it's on me to do something about. No point wondering if the club is actually doing what's right by our members because i feel they are taking the piss. Rant over, sorry.
All i was saying is we need two players out with currency (as above). One is likely Walsh who has gone backwards and two would be Harry or Curnow but Carlton won't. They'll just let TDK go for peanuts and have another ordinary year. Curnow has no dog in him. He is supremely talented but just does not do enough. Our entries can be poor but i see the leads from our forwards live each week. No wonder the entries are as bad as they are. Hard work beats talent. Just look at Collingwood
I'm not a panic merchant with knee reactions. You're not getting rid of your best players to get them. Charlie has 2 Coleman's, would have been a 3rd last year without the ankle injury and still will kick 50+ this year even without a pre-season. Start giving away your best players and you find yourself going no-where. In the end one has to score to win. Just pure panic. Like I said, we lead the half time ladder comfortably, so we can play. Things go ok then and we score. Scores are often in the 50s or close to it. What happens in the 2nd half then didn't happen in 2023 and up to round 19 2024 until injuries killed us? Basically the same side. Possibly the game plan? Attitude of the team as a whole? Play the wrong side?
TDK will get us top 8 compo as it stands. We could use that or even split it. Plus Harry Dean and the NGA prospect Ison.
Buddy left Hawthorn, Grundy left Collingwood, Cameron left Giants and all did well. I can argue GWS could have won 2023 and 2024 premierships if not for brain farts. Our two forwards have hit their peak and are shot in my opinion but they still carry a lot of currency to bring in some hungry talent that can make a difference. TDK will leave so this will rule out the club saying goodbye to Harry and Charlie. Walsh is the obvious choice to dangle but the club just won't make those tough calls. I was knee jerk when Ratten was coach. That has long passed and I am just done with excuses year after year.
So you're happy with Curnow's input? With Harry's? With Walsh? I am not and they all have currency right now to get very good stock back with immediate effect. Any later and we're stuck with them. I was with my 17 year old son at the game. In the last quarter 5 mins to go and Curnow has a shot to ice the game. I said to him "The great players kick this goal, let's see if he's a great player". Sure enough he misses badly and game is still on a knife's edge. We can get rid of players that aren't great and Curnow, McKay and Walsh are not great players. They are very good with potential to be great but they have had enough time to be great and unfortunately they will not hit that mark.
Have been their whole careers. Harry's work in the 2nd ruck this year around the ground has been terrific even if not hitting the scoreboard. Match winner against Geelong. Charlie missed his pre-season, still on target for 50+ while Walsh also missed a chunk of pre-season and still not 100%. Form is temporary, class is permanent. I'm not soft enough of mind to throw the baby out with the bathwater at the first sign of panic and a slight drop in champion player's form. Those sides above I mentioned didn't and reaped the rewards.
Maybe for the forwards issues are the worst delivery imaginable going into the F50. Notice how much better they perform earlier in games when the ball comes in more easily. Hence we are on top of the half time ladder, 10-2, 130%, a significant, telling stat. Says to maybe blame elsewhere with what happens after half time. It's not just the gun forwards, it's up the ground. Hard enough for the like of Charlie when he is fit, let alone half fit.
All i was saying is we need two players out with currency (as above). One is likely Walsh who has gone backwards and two would be Harry or Curnow but Carlton won't. They'll just let TDK go for peanuts and have another ordinary year. Curnow has no dog in him. He is supremely talented but just does not do enough. Our entries can be poor but i see the leads from our forwards live each week. No wonder the entries are as bad as they are. Hard work beats talent. Just look at Collingwood
Without being controversial, we need to think about two of either Walsh, Curnow, McKay and TDK (likely FA). No one else will have the currency needed to instantly improve the team. We're in desperate need for a speedy midfielder and I have been saying this in years yet they have not addressed this deficiency. That is unforgivable in my opinion.
TDK will probably leave. That's it. Puts us back in the first round. We'll land a very good F/S with Harry Dean too. No point hitting the panic button. Geelong didn't in 2006, Richmond didn't in 2016, and were 37 years without a flag, virtually like us now in every way, and the Pies in 2017. A few structrual tweaks for a bit more run and we'll be ok. Then comes down to our attitude.
So you're happy with Curnow's input? With Harry's? With Walsh? I am not and they all have currency right now to get very good stock back with immediate effect. Any later and we're stuck with them. I was with my 17 year old son at the game. In the last quarter 5 mins to go and Curnow has a shot to ice the game. I said to him "The great players kick this goal, let's see if he's a great player". Sure enough he misses badly and game is still on a knife's edge. We can get rid of players that aren't great and Curnow, McKay and Walsh are not great players. They are very good with potential to be great but they have had enough time to be great and unfortunately they will not hit that mark.
Without being controversial, we need to think about two of either Walsh, Curnow, McKay and TDK (likely FA). No one else will have the currency needed to instantly improve the team. We're in desperate need for a speedy midfielder and I have been saying this in years yet they have not addressed this deficiency. That is unforgivable in my opinion.
This was our worst win that I can remember in a while. A half strength Essendon team, winning comfortably only to be embarrassed in the end. Any other team would have beaten us easily. Essendon won 3 quarters of football. Enough said. Need to sack the forwards coach as the ball comes out of there way to easily. There's just no cohesion there at all. We need to trade two players that would have enough value to get something decent come in. I don't care who that is but tough calls need to be made on players. Head coach is usually the first one that goes at Carlton but I think we should start with players that just are not improving and are offering little at this stage. Every other team does it but we are always afraid to pull the trigger. So sick of this. I have seen 4 premiership in my time so you would think I have seen more good than bad but when I count the years, I have seen way more bad years than good. Go figure! Enough is enough.
I don't get it. Harry played last week so I would have thought he is a straight in. I've dealt with mental heath so I am not being insensitive here. Good enough for reserves, good enough for seniors so either you play or we trade you. Sick of this soft underbelly ATM at the club.
He's being managed surely, otherwise this is a senseless omission. I think it's about time we address the elephant in the room. CRIPPS. Fair to say he has been dogshiit for 2 months now. He is the one that needs a rest for finals not JSOS. I know each week what JSOS will bring, Cripps not so much. Tell me a more overrated player in the comp right now that is not getting hammered by the press because of what he has produced in the past. Time for people to just admit it. We've seen the best of him and should've been traded him last year. Walsh is the standout leader and soon enough they will recognise it and move on. Sending the wrong message dropping heart and soul players like JSOS. That's my rant.
After Saturdays debacle, nowhere have i seen any blame set upon our match committee. The game was lost at the selection table way before the the ball was even bounced so blaming players is a little unfair. The balance of the team was poor and we never stood a chance. On top of this we hit an in form GC which admittedly after watching them live, they will worry many teams this year. Plenty of hard bodies too against slighter frames. Great warm weather was on their side too so it was a perfect storm for us as a team. We just weren't ready on Saturday and feel we would have learnt plenty both on and off field. Your thoughts
Thought Cunningham was so clean when others fumbled. He is a star in the making and a real gem. See the below that wrote 2 seasons ago. Maybe someone from the club read this and passed it on to BB. I feel a tad responsible
Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Round 5 preview Carlton v Collingwood « on: April 26, 2015, 08:35:03 PM » I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned this before but Jones is quick and moves really well and has a clue about football. This though hasn't translated into any decent games for us. I think he would do really well as a defender. Definitely tall with decent mitts. He won't last as a forward so drop down back and I think it will be the making of him. Just saying ReplyQuoteNotify
I read alot about Weitering and where he is best suited but I think the real issue is where do we play Charlie Curnow. From the games I have seen, he is a natural new age midfielder that is big bodied and very Bont like. Is smart in close and handy on the outside. From what I hear, he has a great tank so I expect more midfield time this year. He'll lose form up forward as there will be limited entries into the 50. What are your thoughts?
