Sunday July 9th at 1520.
Nobody seems to have worried about this game yet.
[1] Melbourne have injuries and they cannot cover them as well as some others do. They will be missing players they think of as being critical. To me, Viney is their biggest 'out'.
[2] We have played quite well against higher ranked teams of late.
[3] Alex Silvagni is a chance to be available. Not a certainty, but a chance. Lamb and Curnow may be back, if they have recovered from what Richmond dealt them. Boekhorst responded to being dropped the way we would like all of our dropped players to respond, with leather poisoning. Smedts likewise stood up. Palmer, like Kerridge, has probably done enough to get a recall, but do we go with another experienced player or a kid? SPS is also returning, hopefully with the hunger to get the ball again.
[4] Caleb Marchbank and Lachie Plowman both have some injury concerns. Neither are definitely out as yet. Both are hoping to be fit enough to play.
[5] Who, if anyone, do we drop? Silvagni's recent form has not been so good, but he is young and talented. Fisher didn't set the world on fire on Saturday, with 9 or 10 possessions. Cuningham likewise, although he was involved in a couple of very important pieces of play. Gussy Sheahan started like a house on fire (except that he couldn't hit a barn), but dropped out of the game (he defended well enough, but he had only 3 or 4 possessions after quarter time).
I wouldn't be dropping White. He did very well.
Sumner might put on good pressure, but he can't seem to get more than 10 possessions in a game. We cannot afford the luxury of guys like that.
I think they will pick the team for a win as opposed to giving experience. We need a win to appease the masses. :)
I'd swap Sumner for Lamb and White for Byrne, we have to keep playing Fisher, Cunningham and Silvagni.
I would have said Petrevski-Seton for Kerridge or Graham but they both went OK, particularly Kerridge, so dropping them would be a tough call.
That said if Ed Curnow is available someone has to miss out.
We really should win this, Jones, Viney, Watts, Hogan and a few others missing makes our lack of experience less of a factor and our midfield is in good form.
A little bird told me we might see Dylan Buckley in this week.
We might have a few we are looking at not coming up, and it's time to see if there any more Liam Jones stories in our list.
I'm coming down for this game, and looking forward to it.
Here's hoping it's a cracker of a game and we walk away with the 4 points !!
A little bird told me we might see Dylan Buckley in this week.
We might have a few we are looking at not coming up, and it's time to see if there any more Liam Jones stories in our list.
Buckley could only replace Sumner and it would be tough on Lamb if he did.
I'd like to see him get another crack before the end of the season, he's got something to offer.
We need to give DB another run/chance before final decisions are made IMO. He has looked good in flashes over the journey and if he could just show some consistency he would be worth hanging on to.
Buckley could only replace Sumner and it would be tough on Lamb if he did.
I'd like to see him get another crack before the end of the season, he's got something to offer.
Id give Lamb a good month to recover properly before he needs to play for his future. It would be a bit rough for him to have to play for his AFL future when he is recovering from a rather serious head knock that saw him unable to walk down the stairs less than a fortnight ago.
I reckon Armfield has been stiff not to get a gig.
You know what he offers us. 100% effort and pace.
He was elevated to a leader this season and we don't play him.
I reckon he'd offer more than Sumner/Lamb/Buckley/Palmer/Smedts/Boekhorst but he's wasting away in the 2's.
I reckon Armfield has been stiff not to get a gig.
You know what he offers us. 100% effort and pace.
He was elevated to a leader this season and we don't play him.
I reckon he'd offer more than Sumner/Lamb/Buckley/Palmer/Smedts/Boekhorst but he's wasting away in the 2's.
Hasnt touched the footy in the NB's....done and dusted as a player, might get the farewell game...
I reckon we are Monty's this week, the Bugg been squashed ;) ;)
Hasnt touched the footy in the NB's....done and dusted as a player, might get the farewell game...
must be hard for him to rev up in the 2s....
must be hard for him to rev up in the 2s....
Fair point...some players dont bother getting up for 2's footy and maybe if he was in the seniors he might go harder and better.
I like Denis but he hasnt justified a recall based on form...Dylan Buckley is probably next in the que and with his career on the line he probably deserves a couple of games to
show what he has got...
Fair point...some players dont bother getting up for 2's footy and maybe if he was in the seniors he might go harder and better.
I like Denis but he hasnt justified a recall based on form...Dylan Buckley is probably next in the que and with his career on the line he probably deserves a couple of games to
show what he has got...
oh sure, it should be (largely) merit based, maybe a send off game?
Fair point...some players dont bother getting up for 2's footy and maybe if he was in the seniors he might go harder and better.
I like Denis but he hasnt justified a recall based on form...Dylan Buckley is probably next in the que and with his career on the line he probably deserves a couple of games to
show what he has got...
Denis should be tearing it up in the VFL but he's barely having an impact. I reckon that's not down to lack of effort, the game has passed him by ... and that happens to most great servants of the club. It may be a little harsh but, with hindsight, giving Denis another year was perhaps not the best list management decision. It seems that the club is interested in his coaching potential but that shouldn't mean allowing him to take up a spot on the list that could have gone to someone with potential to crack the AFL side.
Like most supporters, I'd love to see Dylan emulate his old man but I don't think it's going to happen. He is a great kick but simply doesn't get enough of the ball. I can't see how he could possibly get a game ahead of blokes who have been playing better footy.
Re: Dennis
His playing career may well be nearing an end. There's no doubt he's given his best and won many admirers.
I remember this time last year when Dennis cut loose v Crows. He kicked 4 goals in the first half. The crowd was chanting "give it to Dennis". Memorable. We lost by 10 goals but Dennis put on a clinic. Check the highlights reel if you want to see Dennis at his best....
i hope we dont fall into the trap of dees injuries the game will be easy win ,we just have to look at cats v gws
Not sure this is the best thread - apologies if it's not.
Q. I understand Gussy Sheehan has been upgraded - Rookie to seniors. (Courtesy LTI Phillips). What does this mean for wherw ASOS can play future games?
Thx in advance folks.
Not sure this is the best thread - apologies if it's not.
Q. I understand Gussy Sheehan has been upgraded - Rookie to seniors. (Courtesy LTI Phillips). What does this mean for wherw ASOS can play future games?
Thx in advance folks.
Alex has no problems: he is replacing Rowe. he can play as many as he is fit for and he will probably be available next week.
Denis should be tearing it up in the VFL but he's barely having an impact. I reckon that's not down to lack of effort, the game has passed him by ... and that happens to most great servants of the club. It may be a little harsh but, with hindsight, giving Denis another year was perhaps not the best list management decision. It seems that the club is interested in his coaching potential but that shouldn't mean allowing him to take up a spot on the list that could have gone to someone with potential to crack the AFL side.
Like most supporters, I'd love to see Dylan emulate his old man but I don't think it's going to happen. He is a great kick but simply doesn't get enough of the ball. I can't see how he could possibly get a game ahead of blokes who have been playing better footy.
Dennis did have a decent year last year so you really had to offer him another year. Then no telling when the game passes someone by. Some go to 30, others 38 but when "the wall" hits it hits quickly and insidiously. This will be his last year on the list though. Glad to she he ended up a 10 year player though.
As for Buckley, at times he almost gets there. His running goals last year were so exciting but, like every other time, he slips back again.
Alex has no problems: he is replacing Rowe. he can play as many as he is fit for and he will probably be available next week.
Tanks Crash.
He really adds a different dimension to the back line >:D
Look forward to see him back doing what he does so well.
Denis should be tearing it up in the VFL but he's barely having an impact. I reckon that's not down to lack of effort, the game has passed him by ... and that happens to most great servants of the club. It may be a little harsh but, with hindsight, giving Denis another year was perhaps not the best list management decision.
I don't have a problem with his short term deal, he's clearly acting in a mentoring role for the new kids and the AFLW.
As you know he is one of our more vocal players down at VFL level, and while he may no longer have that break-away power or influence he still knows where to be and when.
I suppose this is a difference between Denis and Daisy, Daisy's AFL game never really relied on outside run and pace, so in that respect Denis has a bigger hurdle to overcome to get into the 1s.
CARLTON
In:J.Lamb, S.Petrevski-Seton, C.Byrne, H.Macreadie, H.McKay
Out: L.Sumner, C.Marchbank (shoulder)
MELBOURNE
In: J.Garlett, J.Trengove, D.Kent, J.Hogan, J.Kennedy-Harris, S.Weideman, J.Smith
Out: D.Tyson (knee), T.Bugg (suspension), J.Viney (foot), M.White
Interchange from: 32. Nick Graham 26. Harrison Macreadie 10. Harry McKay 21. Ciaran Sheehan 13. Jed Lamb 38. Ciaran Byrne 5. Sam Petrevksi-Seton
Very interesting to see if Harry makes the final cut.
I think this will have a lot of people excited
I don't have a problem with his short term deal, he's clearly acting in a mentoring role for the new kids and the AFLW.
As you know he is one of our more vocal players down at VFL level, and while he may no longer have that break-away power or influence he still knows where to be and when.
I suppose this is a difference between Denis and Daisy, Daisy's AFL game never really relied on outside run and pace, so in that respect Denis has a bigger hurdle to overcome to get into the 1s.
Getting a little off topic but I'd like to see the club encourage retiring players to continue their career with the NBs, particularly those with the ability to mentor and encourage young blokes and provide leadership and presence on the field.
Very interesting to see if Harry makes the final cut.
I think this will have a lot of people excited
Ground conditions should play a significant part in the decision. He must be given very chance to succeed.
Carlton's Round 16 extended squad:
Backs 15. Sam Docherty 14. Liam Jones 20. Lachie Plowman
Half-backs 43. Simon White 23. Jacob Weitering 39. Dale Thomas
Centreline 6. Kade Simpson 9. Patrick Cripps 28. David Cuningham
Half-forwards 1. Jack Silvagni 41. Levi Casboult 11. Sam Kerridge
Forwards 25. Zac Fisher 30. Charlie Curnow 46. Matthew Wright
Followers 8. Matthew Kreuzer 4. Bryce Gibbs 3. Marc Murphy (C)
Interchange from: 32. Nick Graham 26. Harrison Macreadie 10. Harry McKay
21. Ciaran Sheehan 13. Jed Lamb 38. Ciaran Byrne
5. Sam Petrevksi-Seton
In: Lamb, Petrevski-Seton, Byrne, Macreadie, McKay
Out: Sumner (omitted), Marchbank (shoulder)
Last time I tried to guess the final line-up for a Sunday game I got it totally wrong, so, based on that Lamb won't be coming in for Sumner and Macreadie won't be coming in for Marchbank (which is what I would anticipate...)... so, Byrne for Marchbank and Samo for Sumner ;) ;D
Last time I tried to guess the final line-up for a Sunday game I got it totally wrong, so, based on that Lamb won't be coming in for Sumner and Macreadie won't be coming in for Marchbank (which is what I would anticipate...)... so, Byrne for Macreadie and Samo for Sumner ;) ;D
Reckon Lamb and Samo in....
I reckon 1 of Macreadie/McKay will get a game. Helps our structures with Marchbank going out.
Prefer not to see Lamb back in favour of the irish boys. I wouldn't mind seeing Graham back at the NBs.
Surprised not to see Boekhorst as a potential in as he supposedly dominated the 2's last week.
Lamb for Sumner, /lamb was going ok b4 Bachar...
Macreadie/Sheehan for Marchie
Graham has earnt a spot for now.
last spot? Harry.
Samo needs a run in the 2s.
Carlton
B: Sam Docherty, Liam Jones, Lachie Plowman
HB: Simon White, Jacob Weitering, Dale Thomas
C: Kade Simpson, Patrick Cripps, David Cuningham
HF: Jack Silvagni, Levi Casboult, Sam Kerridge
F: Zac Fisher, Charlie Curnow, Matthew Wright
R: Matthew Kreuzer, Bryce Gibbs, Marc Murphy
Int: Nick Graham, Harrison Macreadie, Harry McKay, Ciaran Sheehan, Jed Lamb, Ciaran Byrne, Sam Petrevski-Seton
(Three to be omitted)
In: Harrison Macreadie, Harry McKay, Jed Lamb, Ciaran Byrne, Sam Petrevski-Seton
Out: Caleb Marchbank (Shoulder), Liam Sumner (Omitted)
New: Harry McKay
Melbourne
B: Michael Hibberd, Oscar McDonald, Neville Jetta
HB: Jordan Lewis, Sam Frost, Bernie Vince
C: Jayden Hunt, Christian Petracca, Mitch Hannan
HF: James Harmes, Cameron Pedersen, Alex Neal-Bullen
F: Jeff Garlett, Jesse Hogan, Tom McDonald
R: Max Gawn, Clayton Oliver, Jake Melksham
Int: Billy Stretch, Jack Trengove, Dean Kent, Jay Kennedy-Harris, Josh Wagner, Sam Weideman, Joel Smith (Three to be omitted)
In: Jeff Garlett, Jesse Hogan, Jack Trengove, Dean Kent, Jay Kennedy-Harris, Sam Weideman, Joel Smith
Out: Tomas Bugg (Suspension), Jack Viney (Foot), Mitch White (Omitted), Dom Tyson (Knee)
I wouldn't mind if Lewis were one of their outs. I don't fear him as a player, but last time he got weeks for his thuggery.
I'd go with Petrevski-Seton and Byrne as the two ins, only because I think they're the classiest of the bunch available.
McKay didn't have much of a game in the VFL so I can't see him getting a gig, Boekhorst 36 touches and not considered I think he's played his last senior game.
Melbourne are not that great IMO and Hogan will be under done.....if Kruezer can tame Gawn then we are a chance....
Melbourne are not that great IMO and Hogan will be under done.....if Kruezer can tame Gawn then we are a chance....
Thats the thing EB, I reckon we are a chance in every game we play now.
Thats the thing EB, I reckon we are a chance in every game we play now.
Agree GTC...we beat the Giants so anything is possible...losing Nathan Jones and now Viney and Tyson makes them vulnerable, Petracca is very good but plays in bursts, Oliver doesnt like the tagging and Melksham is a spud. Tom McDonald has been playing well and might be a challenge for Weitering as I presume Jones will get Hogan...
Carlton
B: Sam Docherty, Liam Jones, Lachie Plowman
HB: Simon White, Jacob Weitering, Dale Thomas
C: Kade Simpson, Patrick Cripps, David Cuningham
HF: Jack Silvagni, Levi Casboult, Sam Kerridge
F: Zac Fisher, Charlie Curnow, Matthew Wright
R: Matthew Kreuzer, Bryce Gibbs, Marc Murphy
Int: Nick Graham, Harrison Macreadie, Harry McKay, Ciaran Sheehan, Jed Lamb, Ciaran Byrne, Sam Petrevski-Seton
(Three to be omitted)
We need someone to lock down on Jeffy Garlett... he's likely to run amok and kick 4 or 5.
We need more firepower so I'd like to see Harry get a go......... Is he ready hmmm ??
Of the 3 to be omitted
Samo... ( should have to earn his spot back via 2's )
Byrne or Sheehan ( Too soon for Byrne ? ) cant see both of them being in
Graham or Lamb ( unlucky )
Macreadie, Lamb, Sheehan and SPS on the bench I reckon.
Int: Nick Graham, Harrison Macreadie, Harry McKay, Ciaran Sheehan, Jed Lamb, Ciaran Byrne, Sam Petrevski-Seton
Of those I would think
If fit, Lamb is in.
I think Sheehan will also get another game
1 of Macreadie or McKay is out and 1 is in
I think SPS will get a game, but I have some hesitation...
I want kids like SPS to generally be played on the condition they give it all (much more than based on their actual output at this stage), but I am not sure SPS is going at 100%. So until he does I would prefer to see him out just for the moment. Just a reminder that games are earned through hard work and determination
So
Byrne (not yet ready), Graham & 1 of Macreadie/McKay will be the likely outs I think
With Marchbank out, I reckon Macreadie will be in.
Marchbank is a big out.
With Marchbank out, I reckon Macreadie will be in.
Marchbank is a big out.
Yep Marchbank leaves a big hole. Time for Weitering to step up and play a blinder with Macreadie to help out.
Agree GTC...we beat the Giants so anything is possible...losing Nathan Jones and now Viney and Tyson makes them vulnerable, Petracca is very good but plays in bursts, Oliver doesnt like the tagging and Melksham is a spud. Tom McDonald has been playing well and might be a challenge for Weitering as I presume Jones will get Hogan...
Watts out as well... not sure how many more games we will win this year, but this is a real opportunity.
I don't think Samo, McKay and Byrne will play. Samo is showing signs of a limited pre-season. McKay just ain't ready. Byrne needs another run or two to improve his stamina.
melb got there A grade mids out and we are saying marchbank is a big out,we should win this game but i hope the game not played in dressing room.
melb got there A grade mids out and we are saying marchbank is a big out,we should win this game but i hope the game not played in dressing room.
I agree.
They look ripe for the picking in my opinion. We should see this as an opportunity to advertise ourselves as a destination club for potential trade targets, and send the snow bound bunnies off to Hotham dragging their sorry ar5es behind them!
Carlton:
Int; Macreadie Sheehan Lamb Petrevski-Seton.
Em; Graham Byrne McKay.
Lamb Petrevski-Seton Macreadie in 4 Sumner Graham Marchbank
Melbourne:
Int; Stretch, Kent, Wagner, Smith.
Em; Trengove, Kennedy-Harris, Weideman.
Garlett, Kent, Hogan, Smith 4 Tyson, Bugg, Viney, White.
So Macreadie for Marchbank (logical), Lamb for Graham and Samo for Sumner. Graham is unlucky. I hope Samo shows much, much more than his last outing.
I would have preferred Byrne to Macredie but Casey will be in the side soon enough.
We should win this fairly comfortability, our midfield is in tip top form and Melbourne are missing two of their best three mids, they will also have Kreuzer to contend with.
Graham unlucky but at 23 y.o you want him to hit the scoreboard
I would have preferred Byrne to Macredie but Casey will be in the side soon enough.
We should win this fairly comfortability, our midfield is in tip top form and Melbourne are missing two of their best three mids, they will also have Kreuzer to contend with.
Agree. If we can't win this, we're in strife! And, hopefully, next week we'll have Casey, ACOS and H all knocking on the door for senior selection. Hopefully Pickett and Graham both put in big efforts tomorrow to put pressure on other mids/small forwards. As for Palmer... seems no matter how well he plays he just doesn't get a look in, must have winked at one of selection committee's missus ;) ;D
Agree. If we can't win this, we're in strife! And, hopefully, next week we'll have Casey, ACOS and H all knocking on the door for senior selection. Hopefully Pickett and Graham both put in big efforts tomorrow to put pressure on other mids/small forwards. As for Palmer... seems no matter how well he plays he just doesn't get a look in, must have winked at one of selection committee's missus ;) ;D
In strife? It's 16th v 6th.
In strife? It's 16th v 6th.
Hmm, remember when Leon Cameron said we weren't a 17th team, well in my opinion they aren't a 6th team! ;)
There is something seriously fake about the Demons!
Agree. If we can't win this, we're in strife! And, hopefully, next week we'll have Casey, ACOS and H all knocking on the door for senior selection. Hopefully Pickett and Graham both put in big efforts tomorrow to put pressure on other mids/small forwards. As for Palmer... seems no matter how well he plays he just doesn't get a look in, must have winked at one of selection committee's missus ;) ;D
Palmer is competing with the likes of Fisher, Cunningham and Petrevski-Seton so I can see the logic behind his non selection, although with Curnow injured there's probably a case for someone of his experience.
I think we signed him as insurance basically.
The great disappointment is Jaksch who really hasn't fired a shot since he came to the club.
Palmer is competing with the likes of Fisher, Cunningham and Petrevski-Seton so I can see the logic behind his non selection, although with Curnow injured there's probably a case for someone of his experience.
I think we signed him as insurance basically.
The great disappointment is Jaksch who really hasn't fired a shot since he came to the club.
Promised so much and delivered so little :(
Hmm, remember when Leon Cameron said we weren't a 17th team, well in my opinion they aren't a 6th team! ;)
There is something seriously fake about the Demons!
Even so, it's 10 spots so we can't be favourites even if 6th to 16th isn't quite the wide gap of other years.
It's the weakest season I think I've ever seen at the top end. Melbourne are 6th but have a look at what's under. Other than the Swans not much, so 6th is about right this year. By contrast the bottom sides are the strongest group i've seen hence the upsets this year.
Swans are only 2 games from top 4. If they get there they are a real shot. They could do well even if they don't make top 4.
Palmer is competing with the likes of Fisher, Cunningham and Petrevski-Seton so I can see the logic behind his non selection, although with Curnow injured there's probably a case for someone of his experience.
I think we signed him as insurance basically.
The great disappointment is Jaksch who really hasn't fired a shot since he came to the club.
Jaksch has a bad attitude. VFL form alone would be good enough to play seniors normally, he has the tools, but that attitude will have him sacked instead. Need more than ability in this game.
I can see the penny dropping one day but it will be too late.
On one of those weird SEN segments it was pointed out that teams in 17th spot on the ladder have won more games than teams occupying every other position except 2nd. I think it was 8 wins from teams in 17th spot and 10 from teams in 2nd spot.
Perhaps equalisation is finally starting to work :)
Carlton:
Int; Macreadie Sheehan Lamb Petrevski-Seton.
Em; Graham Byrne McKay.
Lamb Petrevski-Seton Macreadie in 4 Sumner Graham Marchbank
Melbourne:
Int; Stretch, Kent, Wagner, Smith.
Em; Trengove, Kennedy-Harris, Weideman.
Garlett, Kent, Hogan, Smith 4 Tyson, Bugg, Viney, White.
what's the point of naming McKay ?? That's a couple times now I think ?
just throw him in FFS ..... he sinks or swims
Jaksch has a bad attitude. VFL form alone would be good enough to play seniors normally, he has the tools, but that attitude will have him sacked instead. Need more than ability in this game.
I can see the penny dropping one day but it will be too late.
I sense a disturbance in the force... are you ok Jim ?
I sense a disturbance in the force... are you ok Jim ?
There's a disturbance in my stomach so best don't get too close..lol.
what's the point of naming McKay ?? That's a couple times now I think ?
just throw him in FFS ..... he sinks or swims
I was thinking the same thing Maxy, seems a little odd to keep teasing him like this. Unless there is a late change.
I was thinking the same thing Maxy, seems a little odd to keep teasing him like this. Unless there is a late change.
Think it's message to him to say he's getting close.
Think it's message to him to say he's getting close.
And to have more of an impact in the VFL, he needs to demand selection like Jones did.
I agree in part B4L
Jones had to work harder for selection, the criteria for a senior player to be selected in the game day should be that he is tearing up the 2s and demanding selection.
The criteria for a junior player should be that he is giving 100% and showing enough encouraging signs to warrant an opportunity.
It has to be because senior players in the 1st should be at/or close to their fulfilled potential, so then if playing at 100% then their game should be better than someone like Zac, Harry or Jack.
For those that watch him I am interested in what his intensity on the field is like. He looks very layed back every time I see video of him. You can't judge players by outward appearance I know, but Buckley always gave me the same sort of impression as well and every time I watch his couch segment I think the same.
Anyway, still a few games left and think he will get his chance, glad they are not gifting it to him though
Realistically he should have played by now and the fact that he hasn't is a concern to me.
He's a key forward and we are the lowest scoring team in the competition, if he was anywhere near it you would expect him to be in the side.
There's no guarantees when you draft 18 year olds but our record at drafting tall forwards is atrocious, let's hope he's not yet another draft bust.
Realistically he should have played by now and the fact that he hasn't is a concern to me.
He's a key forward and we are the lowest scoring team in the competition, if he was anywhere near it you would expect him to be in the side.
There's no guarantees when you draft 18 year olds but our record at drafting tall forwards is atrocious, let's hope he's not yet another draft bust.
Remember we need to think of this a year one, an 18 year old 200+ cm key fwd, just wait.
I think it is way to early to be able to make a decision on whether he is a bust, but yes there are some concerns..
On his side is that I believe he was the youngest player taken in the draft, so is essentially the same age as the players from last years draft. He was draft eligible by 1 week, young SOS was eligible by 2 weeks.
At his height and age there should be some forgiveness for not hitting the grade yet, but I do hope it is not due to lack of effort/intensity. His brother has also yet to play a senior game.
The other worry is some layed back country kids simple don't take to Melbourne and the intensity of the AFL. I had a mate when I was living in Wangaratta who a number of clubs showed interest in, the Bushrangers (I think they are the Wang zone) we constantly calling his house to see if he might be interested to change his mind and he just wasn't. Footy was just fun for him. Shane Loveless is another case of a guy who just might have gone on to be one of the great Full Forwards of the game if he showed the intensity required.
That is my major concern, is he committed to an AFL career?
Hard questions to be asking of young kids I know and he might just come good yet fingers crossed.
On this game, my biggest concern is that we look at our weakest against teams that want to run with the ball like Richmond did and the Dees are one of the biggest run/carry sides in the AFL. Our team should be disciplined enough to beat Melbourne I feel, but that is the area that we will lose it if we do, so we must tackle and stop their run at all costs. If we do, I don't know that Melbourne have another game plan. Which is ironic as they themselves were very static only a couple of years back.
The other worry is thinking we are favorites before the game starts. Melbourne's top midfield is out, but we are missing some 1st choice players as well and besides they are still going to have decent players who can comfortably come in and do the job. If we are on our game though, we should be able to win this one.
Remember we need to think of this a year one, an 18 year old 200+ cm key fwd, just wait.
Watching the VFL game today and my impression is that he lacks presence.
Watching the VFL game today and my impression is that he lacks presence.
He seems to lack game awareness, intensity and hunger from what i can see.
Mckay needs to be playing seniors, he wont learn anything or be motivated to bust a gut playing with the bananas we have in the NB's...
Mckay needs to be playing seniors, he wont learn anything or be motivated to bust a gut playing with the bananas we have in the NB's...
Problem is Bolton has a very clear and consistent message that players will be rewarded for good, consistent form.
If he bends the rules for one, then the whole master plan breaks down.
Watching the VFL game today and my impression is that he lacks presence.
I saw alot of that presence earlier in the year when he was crashing packs. Just off the boil a little right now.
Apparently he's grown to 204cm so he'll be a big boy.
I am not too concerned at the minute - the ball being delivered to him is attrocious at best - needs to put on 10 kilos to go into beast mode,
Josh Kennedy wasn't doing much first couple of years
Drew Petrie didnt get going until his third year
We need patience with this smooth left foot mover.
Problem is Bolton has a very clear and consistent message that players will be rewarded for good, consistent form.
If he bends the rules for one, then the whole master plan breaks down.
Think he said he wanted 4 qtrs from him. He's still learning that. Earlier in the year he was attacking marks, and taking them, from all angles irrespective of the pack in front of him. Maybe should've given him a game then. NB's have struggle the last 4 weeks and with it some of the young blokes. We extended his contract by 2 years without him playing a game so i'm thinking the club have liked what they have seen.
One one hand you'd like to give him a gave towards the end of the year just to give him a feel of what the next level is like, on the other hand, as you said, you want to keep the message consistent.
Someone on another site, friends with the Kerr family said Bolton was insistent on not playing young talls until he feels they are absolutely ready. He apparently thinks if they come in too early it can hurt their progress.
Remember we need to think of this a year one, an 18 year old 200+ cm key fwd, just wait.
Patience folks. We know talls take longer... he had a serious injury during his first ps.... and he's actively growing. You can't rush a kid in this situation. Is his twin brother playing 1's? I'm confident he'll get a run when he can run out 4q's. I image list management would be keen to see H + Cas before trade time comes around.
I saw alot of that presence earlier in the year when he was crashing packs. Just off the boil a little right now.
Apparently he's grown to 204cm so he'll be a big boy.
Fair enough, I didn't see him earlier in the year.
What I saw today wasn't impressive, but he's still young and the delivery was poor so I'll cut him some slack.
I remember seeing Hogan playing for Casey when he'd just turned 18, now that was impressive.
Fair enough, I didn't see him earlier in the year.
What I saw today wasn't impressive, but he's still young and the delivery was poor so I'll cut him some slack.
I remember seeing Hogan playing for Casey when he'd just turned 18, now that was impressive.
Hogan was a rare breed at 17/18.
McKay MKII at North hasn't had a look in yet I don't think and he would be 9 months ahead of his twin (injury free last year. Now either they are both duds and we've both been sold lemons OR they are 18 y o being managed for the long haul.
I suspect the later.
McKay is miles away, still growing, lacks strength for his size.
Way too early to play him!
Hogan was a rare breed at 17/18.
He's a jet, but there have been others who looked the goods from day one.
What I'm hoping for from McKay isn't a champion, it's a solid player who can occupy a good quality key defender and at least hold his own.
Time will tell I guess.
Hogan has different body composition to McKay.
He was already a big bulky kid. McKay hasn't learnt how to use his size to his advantage he just hasn't got the strength. But I see him as our long term forward/ruck rather than permanent forward. A long term Casboult replacement and will be an upgrade.
hogan is 195cm and beefy.
Harry is 203/204cm (or more now) and still very much growing into his body....
Hogan is also almost 3 years older....
As i understand it Harry finds the pill a lot, in patches, but his kicking at goal has the yips?
Others better placed to comment here undoubtedly.
No point comparing Hogan and McKay.
In fact, Weitering is probably a better comparison .
There was talk of Hogan running through the midfield at some point.
Hopefully we can win just to keep the season alive and give the boys something to play for. Lose today and we will probably go into free fall like last year.
He's a jet, but there have been others who looked the goods from day one.
What I'm hoping for from McKay isn't a champion, it's a solid player who can occupy a good quality key defender and at least hold his own.
Time will tell I guess.
Not often in the key position stakes have many been good from the start as they're often too skinny but Hogan tore it up in the VFL at 17 before he was allowed to play AFL. He's doing well at AFL level but thought he might've been actually better given what he did at 18. Still, he's just 22.
McKay's grown to 204cm so be interesting the direction we take with him. Not sure if that's having an effect as he could be growing up not out. At 204 cm he's going to ruck quite a bit i'd assume. You'd assume Levi's role at some stage, next year if Levi takes up free agency offers. Convinced by what I saw earlier in the year that he will be a good player. If he's ends up a forward/ruck then Kerr will end up the no.1 forward. Josh Fraser is loving the direction he is taking.
Kerr finds ways to impact the game even when he's not red hot.
Also he's allegedly playing injured at the moment, rumours are he's got a bit of OP.
I just took the dog for a walk and it would be a good toss for Murph to win, about a three goal breeze to the Punt Road end.
I just took the dog for a walk and it would be a good toss for Murph to win, about a three goal breeze to the Punt Road end.
You live near the 'G?
Not often in the key position stakes have many been good from the start as they're often too skinny but Hogan tore it up in the VFL at 17 before he was allowed to play AFL. He's doing well at AFL level but thought he might've been actually better given what he did at 18. Still, he's just 22.
McKay's grown to 204cm so be interesting the direction we take with him. Not sure if that's having an effect as he could be growing up not out. At 204 cm he's going to ruck quite a bit i'd assume. You'd assume Levi's role at some stage, next year if Levi takes up free agency offers. Convinced by what I saw earlier in the year that he will be a good player. If he's ends up a forward/ruck then Kerr will end up the no.1 forward. Josh Fraser is loving the direction he is taking.
We're counting our chickens here a bit.
Neither of them have played a senior game and from what I saw yesterday they're both a fair way off it.
Personally I think we should try and trade a key forward in, we should have some cash to splash.
The risk of waiting for McKay and Kerr is that two years from now there's a fair chance that neither of them will measure up, but two years from now the rest of our team could be top four material except that we're still relying on Levi.
The back 6 looks very solid, the midfield will be up with any and Kreuzer should still be in top form, but it could all count for nothing if we can't kick a winning score.
You live near the 'G?
About 10 k' s away, the wind will be much the same there as here.
Someone alluded to needing to keep Jeffy covered. I also think (Oliver a given) we'll need to keep Stretch out of the contest. IIRC he won the ball and used it to hurt us in r2.
Just looked at final interchange for both sides. Now that tells a story of rebuilding ;D
Go new Blues
My tip fwiw Blues by 11
My tip fwiw Blues by 11
Blues by 23, Hogan 8 touches and 1 goal, Jones BOG. :)
Win, lose or draw just hope we terrorise another finals contender.
True Laj , would be happy with that as well.