Brisbane are playing well in Perth at the moment, while we have traveled poorly this year. They have pounded us in Brisbane in recent times. We will get Daisy back, maybe one or two others. We also have questions over Casboult and a number of others that are really under-performing at this point in time.
We are not on TV again, so I probably won't see any of the game. That irritates me. But ...
Brisbane are 41 points ahead of Freo in Perth at three quarter time and St Kilda have beaten Melbourne today,.
The only thing in our favour is Brisbane's long road trip but the home ground should more than make up for that.
It's looking like a loss next weekend will mean another wooden spoon, which at least confirms pick one but it's bad for the club when we need new members.
We have to roll the dice with McKay surely, I really don't want to finish last again.
Brisbane are 41 points ahead of Freo in Perth at three quarter time and St Kilda have beaten Melbourne today,.
The only thing in our favour is Brisbane's long road trip but the home ground should more than make up for that.
It's looking like a loss next weekend will mean another wooden spoon, which at least confirms pick one but it's bad for the club when we need new members.
We have to roll the dice with McKay surely, I really don't want to finish last again.
Yep sadly true. Any loss other then a very close one will see the media rip into us.
Our rebuild gets compared to theres so important to put in a respectable effort.
A first half like the dockers would be a disaster.
We are dead last and we deserve to be dead last.
Our rebuild has been a little more dramatic than Brisbane's, but they have been doing it for longer. Hipwood is a gun and is almost as promising as Charlie Curnow.
If we hadn't jagged cripps and brought in Docherty they'd actually be ahead of us
Hipwood is a gun and is almost as promising as Charlie Curnow.
Let's get him then. Charlie can then play midfield.
Mullet and Casboult out. Daisy and McKay in. Better already.
No Kreuzer ProfE? :o
I think it will be Kreuzer and Kerr in.
I do not expect Casboult to be dropped.
I think SoJ or Weitering will be an out.
Mullett might be out for Lang or Byrne.
I don't think he'll be fit. Mullet just has to go.
I don't think he'll be fit. Mullet just has to go.
They should have sent SpecialK up north to soak up the sun for a week or so before the others arrive. Kreuzer comes back from injury motivated enough, his best games usually happen after an injury lay-off, we don't have to run him into the ground under rehabilitation! ;)
I think you are correct about Mullett, he is surviving like a limpet sucked onto our kids, when we really need someone who stands up and leads the way!
Not sure McKay's last VFL game warrants a return, my mates at the VFL ground tell me McKay is still playing the KPF role like he's a medium/small forward. Another problem I believe the rumor is Kerr has again pulled up a little sore after last weekend and might be out again, so for that reason I think Casboult survives.
But I'd seriously love to see what an inform Kerr or McKay could do when they get to be 2nd fiddle to an in form Charlie Curnow! For that matter I'd love to see Rowe, Jones or Weitering be 2nd Fiddle to Charlie Curnow! Let's face it, Charlie has got the heat now regardless, nobody else we offer up will be taken seriously!
They should have sent SpecialK up north to soak up the sun for a week or so before the others arrive. Kreuzer comes back from injury motivated enough, his best games usually happen after an injury lay-off, we don't have to run him into the ground under rehabilitation! ;)
I think you are correct about Mullett, he is surviving like a limpet sucked onto our kids, when we really need someone who stands up and leads the way!
Not sure McKay's last VFL game warrants a return, my mates at the VFL ground tell me McKay is still playing the KPF role like he's a medium/small forward. Another problem I believe the rumor is Kerr has again pulled up a little sore after last weekend and might be out again, so for that reason I think Casboult survives.
But I'd seriously love to see what an inform Kerr or McKay could do when they get to be 2nd fiddle to an in form Charlie Curnow! For that matter I'd love to see Rowe, Jones or Weitering be 2nd Fiddle to Charlie Curnow! Let's face it, Charlie has got the heat now regardless, nobody else we offer up will be taken seriously!
McKay's averaging 2 goals a game, don't care how he gets them. Was in the best players last week and took 8 marks. Playing like a medium forward at times doesn't worry me, that's the game these days anyway. Charlie can take the contested stuff as he's running hot. If McKay's going to play like that he better be prepared to run alot like Buddy does as getting touches in general play then becomes important. Levi's just hasn't come back well after his injury break and might need to get his touch back in the NB's. If you wanted to go further left field it mightn't be a bad game for De Konning to debut.
I have been watching Liam Jones recently, and, thinking to myself; how can this guy not play forward?
Could he not play as a backman in the forward zone? What does he do now, he reads the ball, backs himself, and, zones off to contest.
Perhaps, an option for Liam, may be that he is instructed to play forward, and, stop his man marking it. If he contests the way he does down back, the smaller crumbing players may come into their own; Jones may also take a few marks, and, start to believe he can play forward.
Brisbane may present the ideal opportunity to trial this.
McKay's averaging 2 goals a game, don't care how he gets them.
No team wants 200cm types competing with their own smalls for the ground ball or for Joe-the-Goose goals, they want the 200cm types creating those opportunities for the smalls.
McKay playing small will kick goals, but he will kick them instead of our smalls not as well as them, that won't get us to many winning scores! ;)
Kerr looks 1000% better at this point of time.
I have been watching Liam Jones recently, and, thinking to myself; how can this guy not play forward?
Could he not play as a backman in the forward zone? What does he do now, he reads the ball, backs himself, and, zones off to contest.
Yep, it seems everybody can see this except our MC.
I have been watching Liam Jones recently, and, thinking to myself; how can this guy not play forward?
Could he not play as a backman in the forward zone? What does he do now, he reads the ball, backs himself, and, zones off to contest.
Perhaps, an option for Liam, may be that he is instructed to play forward, and, stop his man marking it. If he contests the way he does down back, the smaller crumbing players may come into their own; Jones may also take a few marks, and, start to believe he can play forward.
Brisbane may present the ideal opportunity to trial this.
I'm really surprised we haven't tried it.
I think it would work extra well.
It would be chaos balls all over the place for our small forwards to work with.
I guessing we haven't done it because we may be a bit gun-shy given that he didn't succeed there before.
But the last games of this season give us some great opportunities for experimentation without consequence.
No team wants 200cm types competing with their own smalls for the ground ball or for Joe-the-Goose goals, they want the 200cm types creating those opportunities for the smalls.
McKay playing small will kick goals, but he will kick them instead of our smalls not as well as them, that won't get us to many winning scores! ;)
Kerr looks 1000% better at this point of time.
They won't be competing. I'll take anyone that hits the scoreboard, especially now.
Think you'll find he's not too bad in the contested situation. Don't see too many Joe the Goose type goals.
Hasn't been bad at crashing packs in the VFL in the past. Sometimes things come with confidence. Can't do too much better than average two goals a games in you're early career AFL games.
No Kreuzer ProfE? :o
I think it will be Kreuzer and Kerr in.
I do not expect Casboult to be dropped.
I think SoJ or Weitering will be an out.
Mullett might be out for Lang or Byrne.
I reckon Jack had an ok game on the weekend playing back, and was mentioned as a small win after the game by Bolton. Unless that ankle doesnt come I'd expect him to play.
Polson, Mullet and Casboult should be dropped, Thomas, McKay and anyone eligible with two arms and two legs in.
Lang or Shaw seeing as O'Brien didn't play in the VFL and Byrne probably needs another week.
Jones is playing well down back and will be ideal to play on the " Eel" this week......down forward he hasnt a clue.....
Liam needs more time to learn his craft down back as he is still a novice, why mess with one of our few players that is going ok?
I reckon Jack had an ok game on the weekend playing back, and was mentioned as a small win after the game by Bolton. Unless that ankle doesnt come I'd expect him to play.
They both, SoJ and Weitering, had periods off the ground getting soft tissue injuries sorted.
I reckon Jack had an ok game on the weekend playing back, and was mentioned as a small win after the game by Bolton. Unless that ankle doesnt come I'd expect him to play.
I thought Jack did OK as a defender and certainly wasn’t the non-contributor that some folk seem to think. He was favouring his ankle when he came back on though and may be in doubt.
I thought Jack did OK as a defender and certainly wasn’t the non-contributor that some folk seem to think. He was favouring his ankle when he came back on though and may be in doubt.
What's the chance we play them unfit on a road trip, because it's good for their development? ;)
Jones is playing well down back and will be ideal to play on the " Eel" this week......down forward he hasnt a clue.....
Liam needs more time to learn his craft down back as he is still a novice, why mess with one of our few players that is going ok?
Call it morbid curiousity.
I reckon he could create a bit of strife for the opposition as a forward (he could possibly create a bit of strife for us but that's a risk we take ;) :D. )
We've tried him there before unsuccessfully.
But he's now spent a bit of time playing on the best forwards in the competition.
Has he learned anything from that experience?
The thing is that at this stage of the season we really have nothing to lose and if it's a bust he just resumes his normal role.
If it's a success we have an unpredictable swingman.
I reckon Jack had an ok game on the weekend playing back, and was mentioned as a small win after the game by Bolton. Unless that ankle doesnt come I'd expect him to play.
Yes, presumably covering for Plow? I wonder if Marchbank will be available for this week?
Polson, Mullet and Casboult should be dropped, Thomas, McKay and anyone eligible with two arms and two legs in.
Lang or Shaw seeing as O'Brien didn't play in the VFL and Byrne probably needs another week.
You have two arms and legs...you're in!!!
Call it morbid curiousity.
I reckon he could create a bit of strife for the opposition as a forward (he could possibly create a bit of strife for us but that's a risk we take ;) :D. )
We've tried him there before unsuccessfully.
But he's now spent a bit of time playing on the best forwards in the competition.
Has he learned anything from that experience?
The thing is that at this stage of the season we really have nothing to lose and if it's a bust he just resumes his normal role.
If it's a success we have an unpredictable swingman.
Depends which way his unpredictability is working....for or against....
Jack might miss with his ankle.
I'd give Kreuzer further rest and let Phillips play. He can play and its in our best interests to let him play.
Someone might come knocking and give us a good offer for him. If not, then he can be our #2 ruckman and take over from Kreuzer long term.
Give Casboult a rest, and give McKay another game.
Daisy straight back in.
Out: Jack (ankle) Casboult, Mullett
In: Lang, McKay, Daisy
Phillips should have been playing every game since our season was over which was round 3.
Already being dubbed the Walsh Lukosius cup.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-07-02/blues-lions-set-for-the-walshlukosius-cup
If Kreuzer isn't fit I'd like to give De Konning a try in this game. He looks like he can play. He looks like he could play both forward and ruck. This is an ideal game to try him and give him a feel of AFL footy.
Already being dubbed the Walsh Lukosius cup.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-07-02/blues-lions-set-for-the-walshlukosius-cup
No one in their right mind would take Walsh first....not even us! ;)
If Kreuzer isn't fit I'd like to give De Konning a try in this game. He looks like he can play. He looks like he could play both forward and ruck. This is an ideal game to try him and give him a feel of AFL footy.
Didn't he get injured recently?
Not sure if we will get Harry back.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/07/02/blues-footy-boss-explains-why-mckay-isn't-getting-a-game/
“He (Harry) obviously had a good stint in the seniors,” Andrew told SEN’s Time On.
“He wasn’t going as well as he would have liked, so we put him back in the VFL and he is still learning the game.
“Remember in his first year he had the stress reaction, ended up with a bit of glandular fever at the same time or shortly after, which meant he was out for most of that year.
“He is over 200cm, he is a young guy and they just take a bit longer to develop these young boys.
“I don’t think so (when asked if work rate is an issue).
“It’s game knowledge and a bit of experience playing with men.
“You can see little glimpses of what Harry can do, we just need to see that for longer.
“He is working on a couple of things. Make no mistake, Harry is going to be a very good player, so looking forward to seeing him develop.”
Christ, he was chipping in 2 goals a game - and learning on the job - wow.
How much slack do blokes like O'Shea, Mullet etc get cut? Yet Harry.... and in a poor side with a weak midfield....
See ya later Macca.
Not sure if we will get Harry back.
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2018/07/02/blues-footy-boss-explains-why-mckay-isn't-getting-a-game/
If its game knowledge he should be in the seniors learning, he wont learn much in the NB's playing with some of the bananas we have running around at Cramer st.
He should be learning how to play as a tandem forward with Charlie or get on the end of a Cripps pass.....
If its game knowledge he should be in the seniors learning, he wont learn much in the NB's playing with some of the bananas we have running around at Cramer st.
He should be learning how to play as a tandem forward with Charlie or get on the end of a Cripps pass.....
x10000.
Crikey, our admin can talk the talk but if often conflicts with their talk the talk from the previous week.... ::) :-[ ::) :-[
If its game knowledge he should be in the seniors learning, he wont learn much in the NB's playing with some of the bananas we have running around at Cramer st.
McKay has no idea as a KPF, he's obviously survived at TAC level based on his size, reminds me of Casboult as a KPF who had never played as a KPF until 8 games before we drafted him!
At the moment Kerr and De Koning are a mile ahead of McKay in terms of football brains, but McKay has the size and physical advantage, but that is not enough at AFL. We know that you can have size and still be a spud who gets beaten by smaller players.
Jenkins at Crows plays the same way, Lynch was the same in the early part of his career. We need all the goals we can get.
Jenkins at Crows plays the same way, Lynch was the same in the early part of his career. We need all the goals we can get.
KPPs need to create scoring opportunities for team-mates, that is the part Key refers to along with their size and bulk, if they spend too much time roving they are just clogging a space on the field that a smaller more agile player could fill!
It's no good Carlton fans complaining about Charlie Curnow or SoJ being muscled, tag teamed and bullied by bigger heavier bodies, and wishing that Cripps had the opportunity to use his size advantage inside F50, while at the same time accepting the opposition can allocate a medium sized defender to deal with your 200cm x 100kg forward!
We don't get to stand Plowman or Thomas on a Hawkins, Roughead or Franklin, why should opponents be allowed to stand mediums on our KPFs!
It's an abject failure of our coaching panel and player development that these situations continue to persist!
Jenkins at Crows plays the same way, Lynch was the same in the early part of his career. We need all the goals we can get.
Agree...Mckay kicks straight like Jenkins and has goal nous, sure the other parts of his game are not developed but he knows where the goals are
and we need players who can convert.
If Jenkins is such a good example, why did so many posters on this forum oppose trading for him?
If Jenkins is such a good example, why did so many posters on this forum oppose trading for him?
Jenkins is good value when the Crows have Walker playing, Lynch, Eddie etc ...when he has to be the main man he doesnt assert himself and plays in a timid fashion which is strange given he is such a big unit.
We need a player who is prepared to be the main focus and lead the forward line, show some physicality and create for others....that aint Jenkins..
Jenkins is good value when the Crows have Walker playing, Lynch, Eddie etc ...when he has to be the main man he doesnt assert himself and plays in a timid fashion which is strange given he is such a big unit.
We need a player who is prepared to be the main focus and lead the forward line, show some physicality and create for others....that aint Jenkins..
It's not McKay either at the moment, at the moment McKay plays more like Betts.
Kerr is much closer to this player, even if he's only a short term option until the others mature, Kerr leads straight up the guts and provides some structure. It's not Kerr's fault our rubbish disposal stops our mids and HBFs from kicking through the corridor.
Personally, if ACoS had gotten fit I'd have been playing him or Rowe up forward!
When I was around TAC Cup, the coaches under instruction from The Aints wanted KPFs doing 80% of their work as lead up forwards in a trapezium formed by the two point posts and the corners of the center square. It's not an unreasonable request, Johnno Brown made a career of it! It was as much about making forwards play in a predictable manner for the mids and HBFs as it was about the KPFs running the right patterns. Jack Riewoldt is probably the best current example, it would be interesting to see his heat map!
Didn't he get injured recently?
I lose track of our injuries..lol
Didn't he get injured recently?
Checked it out. Missed last week with a leg injury. No idea how bad.
Agree...Mckay kicks straight like Jenkins and has goal nous, sure the other parts of his game are not developed but he knows where the goals are
and we need players who can convert.
If we can keep playing the likes of O'Shea, Mullett etc surely we can play McKay. He'll learn alot more playing in the AFL.
If we can keep playing the likes of O'Shea, Mullett etc surely we can play McKay. He'll learn alot more playing in the AFL.
McKay doesn't have a defensive running bone in his body!
McKay doesn't have a defensive running bone in his body!
Not entirely true LP, but he certainly could work harder when the opposition has the ball. I think that’s something he has to work on the VFL
Hes a kid and simply not ready.
He can do everything at AFL standard for about 1.5 quarters, and the rest will come with confidence, physical condition and increasing his workrate.
I look around the AFL and I see that the players performing the best are seasoned competitors, and athletic beasts.
We are carrying players for at least half a game, and people will point to the easy targets such as Mullet and Cam O shea, but the reality is, that its blokes like Mckay, Kerr, Cunningham, SPS, Dow, O'Brien, Kennedy, Weitering, SOS that are giving us about 2 to 3 quarters of footy (not sequential, they drop out of games for about 5-10 minutes at a time) but thats enough for opposition to get a run on and score quickly against us, and the ones carrying a significantly bigger load than they should are in their late 20's and early 30's and are breaking down themselves.
Don't ask the question of why isn't he playing. Its a basic question. he isnt playing because he isnt 4 quarters at AFL level fit for 22 rounds a season, and he might get a guernsey against Brisbane this week, but we need to pick his opposition because otherwise, its just sending the other blokes out there down a man from the start of the game, which starts to wear thin. Weve done it a lot this year for various reasons, and have a think about the environments around the AFL. We are relying on 20 year olds to be 4 quarter AFL performers in so many different roles, where other clubs will have only one or two, and those two dont play every week.
Not entirely true LP, but he certainly could work harder when the opposition has the ball. I think that’s something he has to work on the VFL
Well, I accept the extreme nature of my comment, but relative to AFL standards he's pretty ordinary! ;D
Hes a kid and simply not ready.
That's the reality of about half our current list!
McKay doesn't have a defensive running bone in his body!
You haven't watched alot of him them. Averaging 2.3 tackles a game this year.
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pp-carlton-blues--harry-mckay
Not entirely true LP, but he certainly could work harder when the opposition has the ball. I think that’s something he has to work on the VFL
Indeed. As LP noted, McKay does average 2.3 tackles per game, something that Levi hasn't done since Ratten left. But he has the capability to do much more. He has the agility and pace to make life difficult for tall defenders trying to run away. Hopefully, in time, we will see that.
Should be playing seniors, no question.
Indeed. As LP noted, McKay does average 2.3 tackles per game, something that Levi hasn't done since Ratten left. But he has the capability to do much more. He has the agility and pace to make life difficult for tall defenders trying to run away. Hopefully, in time, we will see that.
That was me..haha.
He does have the ability to do more but I think that has much to do with confidence. If he can nail a breakout game somewhere that might just change things. He dropped a bit in his last couple of games, which can skew people's thinking as he was doing better before then, but he does continue to hit the scoreboard. He's more aggressive when he plays VFL and tends to hit packs pretty hard at times there. Just needs to carry that part over to the AFL.
Tackles are not a very useful stat when a player lets their opponent run off them, or when they offer a single effort.
McKay has a cheap goal mentality, fans pump up his two goals a game but they are not like Jack Riewoldt or Josh Kennedy getting two goals a game. McKay's are cheapies, you do not see him doing 3 or 4 consecutive repeat leads across the top of the square like Riewoldt or Kennedy, but McKay has that level of mobility in him and he could have far more impact by working hard to bring team-mates into the game instead of feasting off them! The work rate from Riewoldt and Kennedy creates a structure that small forwards and mids can operate within, that is what will deliver some positive game results for Carlton!
Should be playing seniors, no question.
Totally agree. Not sure what rotting in the 2s does for anyone. Especially when they're getting pumped most weeks - the past 2 weeks aside.
Tackles are not a very useful stat when a player lets their opponent run off them, or when they offer a single effort.
McKay has a cheap goal mentality, fans pump up his two goals a game but they are not like Jack Riewoldt or Josh Kennedy getting two goals a game. McKay's are cheapies, you do not see him doing 3 or 4 consecutive repeat leads across the top of the square like Riewoldt or Kennedy, but McKay has that level of mobility in him and he could have far more impact by working hard to bring team-mates into the game instead of feasting off them! The work rate from Riewoldt and Kennedy creates a structure that small forwards and mids can operate within, that is what will deliver some positive game results for Carlton!
When you're team is averaging 8ish goals a game and you're averaging 2 goals a game I think you've got a right to wonder why you're not playing. I think it's a joke. He definitely needs to find more of the ball.
Should be playing seniors, no question.
In fact, there is a huge question!
Harry has great potential but it's doubtful that he will achieve that potential if he is not challenged to deliver in all aspects of his game. Yes, he has kicked a few goals at AFL level but his overall contribution has been poor. A bloke with his size, athleticism and ability should be dominating in the VFL, regardless of how well or poorly the team is travelling. He managed to get in the best players last week, and that's a good sign, but he really needs to start taking games by the scruff of the neck. If he can do that, he will be ready to take the next step.
In fact, there is a huge question!
Harry has great potential but it's doubtful that he will achieve that potential if he is not challenged to deliver in all aspects of his game. Yes, he has kicked a few goals at AFL level but his overall contribution has been poor. A bloke with his size, athleticism and ability should be dominating in the VFL, regardless of how well or poorly the team is travelling. He managed to get in the best players last week, and that's a good sign, but he really needs to start taking games by the scruff of the neck. If he can do that, he will be ready to take the next step.
Again: Young forward playing in a VFL team which sometimes can't get the ball over half way. It's a waste of time when he's shown more than a bit of promise at AFL level - again - in a team which is not exactly flooded with forward half supply.
When you're team is averaging 8ish goals a game and you're averaging 2 goals a game I think you've got a right to wonder why you're not playing. I think it's a joke. He definitely needs to find more of the ball.
Riewoldt or Kennedy create another goal or 2 for every goal they kick because of their work-rate, our low scoring is partly a function of the poor running patterns, lack of repeat efforts and lack of defensive pressure from our forwards.
Until we see some positive sacrifices from our KPFs, sacrificial running, creating space, meaningful repeat efforts, shepherds, blocks and consistent defensive pressure, we will languish on the bottom of the ladder. When the big blokes aren't working hard enough, the little blokes are too easily picked off by the defence!
A traffic cone applies more defensive pressure than Levi.
Even in that first game where he kicked 4 goals, McKay didn't look convincing. I think 3 of them were from free kicks, and 2 of those were 50/50 frees.
I'm going to give credit where it's due, 4 goals is 4 goals, but he has hardly set the world on fire in his game overall. Problem for us is, there is no one to give him an example of how he should be playing. That presents the conundrum of playing him in the 1s to learn his craft, even though he is not performing in all areas of his game, or leaving him in the 2s to learn there, and to make him realise he needs to work harder.
I suspect that there is more than form involved in the decision about whether to play McKay in the 1s. I suspect he has been told he needs to work harder, and that maybe he isnt. Whatever the KPI he has been told to work on is, I suspect thats whats keeping him out.
Even in that first game where he kicked 4 goals, McKay didn't look convincing. I think 3 of them were from free kicks, and 2 of those were 50/50 frees.
I'm going to give credit where it's due, 4 goals is 4 goals, but he has hardly set the world on fire in his game overall. Problem for us is, there is no one to give him an example of how he should be playing. That presents the conundrum of playing him in the 1s to learn his craft, even though he is not performing in all areas of his game, or leaving him in the 2s to learn there, and to make him realise he needs to work harder.
I suspect that there is more than form involved in the decision about whether to play McKay in the 1s. I suspect he has been told he needs to work harder, and that maybe he isnt. Whatever the KPI he has been told to work on is, I suspect thats whats keeping him out.
No one is saying he set the world on fire nor that he should so do, but like all the other 'kids', he needs exposure to the game at the highest level.
Tackles are not a very useful stat when a player lets their opponent run off them, or when they offer a single effort.
McKay has a cheap goal mentality, fans pump up his two goals a game but they are not like Jack Riewoldt or Josh Kennedy getting two goals a game. McKay's are cheapies, you do not see him doing 3 or 4 consecutive repeat leads across the top of the square like Riewoldt or Kennedy, but McKay has that level of mobility in him and he could have far more impact by working hard to bring team-mates into the game instead of feasting off them! The work rate from Riewoldt and Kennedy creates a structure that small forwards and mids can operate within, that is what will deliver some positive game results for Carlton!
Spin!
If you tackle someone they're not running off you as you've caught them. He was taking a contested mark or two most weeks and hitting the scoreboard. He hasn't been around like Kennedy or Reiwoldt yet. How was Kennedy in his first 3 years here? All he lacks is confidence. Not sure he'll be getting that playing VFL. I'd give him a bit more of a run in the ruck than we do just for the sake of him of letting run around freely, following the ball and taking a few marks. Touches give confidence. It was something that worked alot better for Levi, and probably others at other clubs, so I suggest we do the same here. It's a damn tough gig before a forward on our forward line if you're stuck there so more runs on the ball can only help. Fraser does that more in the VFL than the AFL.
Spin!
If you tackle someone they're not running off you as you've caught them. He was taking a contested mark or two most weeks and hitting the scoreboard. He hasn't been around like Kennedy or Reiwoldt yet. How was Kennedy in his first 3 years here? All he lacks is confidence. Not sure he'll be getting that playing VFL. I'd give him a bit more of a run in the ruck than we do just for the sake of him of letting run around freely, following the ball and taking a few marks. Touches give confidence. It was something that worked alot better for Levi, and probably others at other clubs, so I suggest we do the same here. It's a damn tough gig before a forward on our forward line if you're stuck there so more runs on the ball can only help. Fraser does that more in the VFL than the AFL.
I'm arguing
why McKay isn't getting a game now, and you are telling me
how good he might be in the future, but at an immediate cost!
It might work better for Levi, running around being free in the ruck, but it doesn't work out well for the team and just half a game of Rowe doing the same job highlighted that a couple of weeks ago! An uncomfortable fact for some but it was blatantly obvious to many! ;)
As a club, and a club is made up of many players, we can't keep flogging the team for the benefit of one! We will end up losing too many players, and we won't attract the the types we need! As Spock said,
"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few!"
Pick one Levi or McKay, we cannot carry two!
btw., You must be aware that in the VFL they mostly ruck Kerr not McKay, and for that matter they ruck De Koning ahead of McKay as well, because Kerr and De Koning are far more effective! In weeks past that put McKay in 5th place for the ruck rotations, behind Phillips, Lobbe, De Koning and Kerr! ;) So you want the guy traveling in clear 5th place in the 2s ruck to come up and be the 2IC ruck in the 1s, it would be faster to just go out there and kick Kreuzer and the mids in the face than have them die by a thousand cuts!
McKay deserves his run in the 1s as much as SoJ deserved his run in the midfield, and how long did that experiment last, now SoJ is a HBF! Talk about pulling the trigger early, that's about as positive as I can get! :o
Like SoJ in the midfield, McKay needs months or even a season in the 2s to sort out his KPP problems, anything less is desperation and rolling the dice! To me it borders Carlton on being unprofessional! McKay has had a taste of AFL, but I haven't seen him doing the team things consistently, he doesn't have to play AFL to learn that!
I agree with a lot of that LP. However, I wouldn't be surprised if Big H gets a call up this week :)
Yep, you make plenty of good points, Spotted One. H is coming along much slower than our other tall prospects... no accident Kerr was retained in the seniors when H went back to the Magoos. Kerr and DK seem more instinctual as tall forwards at this stage. The only question is, re H, when will the penny drop?
In: Kreuzer, Thomas, Marchbank, O'Brien
Out: Garlett (ankle), Dow (managed), Casboult (omitted), Mullett (omitted)
Two ruckman and one key forward again. How many times has that worked for us. Must be close to zero. Both a terrible forward, a prerequisite of playing two rucks. Backline is way too tall against a side that can run.
Levi had to be dropped, struggled badly since he got injured. Therefore Mckay should be in if Kerr is still injured. Why are they making McKay do so much to play when other bananas get picked at the drop of a hat often. This week he had to play no matter what.
MC is hopeless at times.
In: Kreuzer, Thomas, Marchbank, O'Brien
Out: Garlett (ankle), Dow (managed), Casboult (omitted), Mullett (omitted)
that's an upgrade from all angles.
can't play Cas, Kreuz & Philips in the same team, and it's good to see form rewarded.
Marchbank is so much better than Mullett it's not funny. He might need a week to get his game fitness up, but he's clearly best 22. Same with Daisy at the moment, believe it or not.
A rest won't hurt Paddy, and Garlett is hurt, but I think L'OB is a good kid, and probably produces about the same as Garlett anyway, or maybe a touch more, even in his first year.
McKay?
Polson?
I can't see us winning this frankly.
that's an upgrade from all angles.
can't play Cas, Kreuz & Philips in the same team, and it's good to see form rewarded.
Marchbank is so much better than Mullett it's not funny. He might need a week to get his game fitness up, but he's clearly best 22. Same with Daisy at the moment, believe it or not.
A rest won't hurt Paddy, and Garlett is hurt, but I think L'OB is a good kid, and probably produces about the same as Garlett anyway, or maybe a touch more, even in his first year.
You can't play all 3 in the same team but seeing one is always going to be forward you actually pick a forward, especially when your rucks are no good there. Harsh on Phillips but the ruck position is like the Test wicketkeeper, only room for one.
Great having Marchbank back but we are so tall now in defence.
McKay?
Polson?
I can't see us winning this frankly.
It was never really a winnable game, given recent form, home ground etc., irrespective of any ins or outs.
I don't mind the team selection to be honest. Krooz and Philips as rotating tall forward / ruckman is not too bad. Dow deserves a rest, and Levi and "Stunned" deserve to be dropped.
Two ruckman and one key forward again. How many times has that worked for us. Must be close to zero. Both a terrible forward, a prerequisite of playing two rucks. Backline is way too tall against a side that can run.
Levi had to be dropped, struggled badly since he got injured... in 2012 ;) ;). Therefore Mckay should be in if Kerr is still injured. Why are they making McKay do so much to play when other bananas get picked at the drop of a hat often. This week he had to play no matter what.
MC is hopeless at times.
Couldn't resist... just jokes, LAJ Old Son... ;) ;) :) :)
Couldn't resist... just jokes, LAJ Old Son... ;) ;) :) :)
Lol!
Must be more to the McKay story and his requirements than is obvious to us.
I don't mind them holding players to different standards than others as long as those standards and the reasons for them are clearly explained and understood by the player and also to a certain extent by his team-mates...it doesn't necessarily have to be clear to us.
Of course that then leaves it open to speculation.
But what's a forum for? ;)
No McKay.....match committee are POX????
It was never really a winnable game, given recent form, home ground etc., irrespective of any ins or outs.
I don't mind the team selection to be honest. Krooz and Philips as rotating tall forward / ruckman is not too bad. Dow deserves a rest, and Levi and "Stunned" deserve to be dropped.
If this isn't winninable then nothing is. Team selection is terrible.
Our MC have never heard of the saying " the definition of insanity is repeating the same thing over and over and expecting a different result".
If this isn't winninable then nothing is. Team selection is terrible.
Our MC have never heard of the saying " the definition of insanity is repeating the same thing over and over and expecting a different result".
I can understand that some people will point to our ladder position and say "MC are dumb f!@#s", but I think there's a lot more to it than that. I'm sure they have their reasons for various selections / omissions, most of which we wouldn't know.
I can't really see us winning any games for the rest of the season. Every team except us has shown some ability to play high scoring, winning footy, at various times. The Lions looked very good last week.
Carlton's Round 16 line-up:
Backs 6. Kade Simpson 17. Sam Rowe 14. Liam Jones
Half-backs 39. Dale Thomas 23. Jacob Weitering 22. Caleb Marchbank
Centreline 25. Zac Fisher 9. Patrick Cripps 4. Lochie O'Brien
Half-forwards 7. Matthew Kennedy 30. Charlie Curnow 5. Sam Petrevski-Seton
Forwards 33. Jarrod Pickett 1. Jack Silvagni 46. Matthew Wright
Followers 8. Matthew Kreuzer 3. Marc Murphy (C) 35. Ed Curnow
Interchange 34. Andrew Phillips 32. Nick Graham 29. Cameron Polson
13. Jed Lamb
Emergencies 18. Aaron Mullett 16. Darcy Lang 36. Patrick Kerr
10. Harry McKay
Looking at the emergencies, if you don't want to pick McKay then why not Kerr, who has looked the part.
I can understand that some people will point to our ladder position and say "MC are dumb f!@#s", but I think there's a lot more to it than that. I'm sure they have their reasons for various selections / omissions, most of which we wouldn't know.
I can't really see us winning any games for the rest of the season. Every team except us has shown some ability to play high scoring, winning footy, at various times. The Lions looked very good last week.
When you're playing 17th you have a crack and pick a side to win, no ifs or buts there, not selections/combinations that have continually failed us.
CARLTON
B: Kade Simpson, Sam Rowe, Liam Jones
HB: Dale Thomas, Jacob Weitering, Caleb Marchbank
C: Zac Fisher, Patrick Cripps, Lochie O'Brien
HF: Matthew Kennedy, Charlie Curnow, Sam Petrevski-Seton
F: Jarrod Pickett, Jack Silvagni, Matthew Wright
R: Matthew Kreuzer, Marc Murphy, Ed Curnow
Int: Andrew Phillips, Nick Graham, Cameron Polson, Jed Lamb
Emg: Aaron Mullett, Darcy Lang, Pat Kerr, Harry McKay
IN: Dale Thomas, Caleb Marchbank, Lochie O'Brien, Matthew Kreuzer
OUT: Levi Casboult (Omitted), Paddy Dow (Managed), Jarrod Garlett (Injured), Aaron Mullett (Omitted)
I scratch my head. Marchbank hasn't played for ages and was down on form badly, yet he is in with no time in the VFL.
Lochie O'Brien was dropped and didn't play last week either, so he couldn't impress. Yet, he comes in for Dow.
Kreuzer: I just hope he is 100%, as I hate playing guys not 100%.
Levi had to be dropped, but the bye hurts his chances. It will mean he misses at least 2 weeks.
Paddy Dow: fair enough, he has to be 'managed' some time.
Mullett wasn't as ordinary as he can be last week, but hopefully Daisy can play as well as he had before his suspension.
I would have played either McKay or Kerr, with McKay more likely.
Maybe they Match Committee can be geniuses. I just can't see it.
BRISBANE LIONS
B: Luke Hodge, Daniel McStay, Darcy Gardiner
HB: Daniel Rich, Tom Cutler, Alex Witherden
C: Lewis Taylor, Mitch Robinson, Dayne Zorko
HF: Cameron Rayner, Josh Walker, Hugh McCluggage
F: Allen Christensen, Eric Hipwood, Ryan Lester
R: Stefan Martin, Jarrod Berry, Dayne Beams
Int: Nick Robertson, Rhys Mathieson, Oscar McInerney, Jake Barrett
Emg: Ben Keays, Jacob Allison, Cedric Cox, Jack Frost
No change for them. I wonder who Robbo will play on this year? He used to play on Gibbs and usually beat him. Hopefully we can squash him.
Stefan Martin usually plays well against our rucks, as does Zorko.
Another guy I would like to squash is Hodge. He is a thug. Now he makes the Lions run taller.
If that named side isn't tanking I've never seen it. Must think chuck can kick a winning score by himself.
Lions by 45.
Over it. MC have serious issues.
I can't believe that Polson is still in the side, I know he's a kid and I hate potting kids but last week he was beyond bad.
What happens this week if he's just regular bad, does he keep getting a game?
Kids need to be shown that there's a certain standard that they must achieve.
I can't believe that Polson is still in the side, I know he's a kid and I hate potting kids but last week he was beyond bad.
What happens this week if he's just regular bad, does he keep getting a game?
Kids need to be shown that there's a certain standard that they must achieve.
As long it's not as high as McKay's standard for getting a game. As Terry Wallace said, players like McKay need to play and play and play to keep improving at this level. Not as if he was going badly.
CARLTON
B: Kade Simpson, Sam Rowe, Liam Jones
HB: Dale Thomas, Jacob Weitering, Caleb Marchbank
C: Zac Fisher, Patrick Cripps, Lochie O'Brien
HF: Matthew Kennedy, Charlie Curnow, Sam Petrevski-Seton
F: Jarrod Pickett, Jack Silvagni, Matthew Wright
R: Matthew Kreuzer, Marc Murphy, Ed Curnow
Int: Andrew Phillips, Nick Graham, Cameron Polson, Jed Lamb
Emg: Aaron Mullett, Darcy Lang, Pat Kerr, Harry McKay
IN: Dale Thomas, Caleb Marchbank, Lochie O'Brien, Matthew Kreuzer
OUT: Levi Casboult (Omitted), Paddy Dow (Managed), Jarrod Garlett (Injured), Aaron Mullett (Omitted)
I scratch my head. Marchbank hasn't played for ages and was down on form badly, yet he is in with no time in the VFL.
Lochie O'Brien was dropped and didn't play last week either, so he couldn't impress. Yet, he comes in for Dow.
Kreuzer: I just hope he is 100%, as I hate playing guys not 100%.
Levi had to be dropped, but the bye hurts his chances. It will mean he misses at least 2 weeks.
Paddy Dow: fair enough, he has to be 'managed' some time.
Mullett wasn't as ordinary as he can be last week, but hopefully Daisy can play as well as he had before his suspension.
I would have played either McKay or Kerr, with McKay more likely.
Maybe they Match Committee can be geniuses. I just can't see it.
BRISBANE LIONS
B: Luke Hodge, Daniel McStay, Darcy Gardiner
HB: Daniel Rich, Tom Cutler, Alex Witherden
C: Lewis Taylor, Mitch Robinson, Dayne Zorko
HF: Cameron Rayner, Josh Walker, Hugh McCluggage
F: Allen Christensen, Eric Hipwood, Ryan Lester
R: Stefan Martin, Jarrod Berry, Dayne Beams
Int: Nick Robertson, Rhys Mathieson, Oscar McInerney, Jake Barrett
Emg: Ben Keays, Jacob Allison, Cedric Cox, Jack Frost
No change for them. I wonder who Robbo will play on this year? He used to play on Gibbs and usually beat him. Hopefully we can squash him.
Stefan Martin usually plays well against our rucks, as does Zorko.
Another guy I would like to squash is Hodge. He is a thug. Now he makes the Lions run taller.
So to summarise, we have two ruckmen, one true forward (Charlie) and a half forward/mid/back (SOJ), and 4 tall defenders.
They went with 1 ruck, 2 tall forwards (one of whom is a skinny kid) and a couple of tall defenders.
We are going to be run off the park.
It's a game we can win without "damaging" ::) our ladder position
With percentage we're effectively two games behind Brisbane.
Why not give it a shot.
I like it.
- I reckon IF Kreuzer plays, he'll play fwd alot and Phillips will have a crack at Martin. All Flip needs to do is break even with Martin (like he did vs Ryder). Mackay or Kerr will come in if Kreuzer doesnt get up.
- Dow needs a rest.
- Levi was bad last week, whether it was form or a sore hand, either way the omission is good.
- Mullet and Garlett omissions fair enough.
- Marchy straight in, I guess thats how highly he is rated internally and quite frankly, I happy to see him back. If he doesnt come up, Kerr may come in.
I think the game is winnable.
I don't mind the changes.
Much rather see
Phillips + Kreuzer
vs
Casboult + Kreuzer or Casboult + Phillips.
Dow having a rest, nothing to prove.
Garlett (injured) fair enough.
Mullett dropped, he is not the future so good.
As for McKay...
Reckon he is showing why he was a 'reach' with our pick. Was always a speculative one. He is very raw and basically needs to learn how to play football. I don't have a problem with his development in the 2's as he'll be more of a target there than he will be in the 1's with Curnowfides.
Kerr...he'll get more time. Still only young too.
I like it.
- I reckon IF Kreuzer plays, he'll play fwd alot and Phillips will have a crack at Martin. All Flip needs to do is break even with Martin (like he did vs Ryder). Mackay or Kerr will come in if Kreuzer doesnt get up.
- Dow needs a rest.
- Levi was bad last week, whether it was form or a sore hand, either way the omission is good.
- Mullet and Garlett omissions fair enough.
- Marchy straight in, I guess thats how highly he is rated internally and quite frankly, I happy to see him back. If he doesnt come up, Kerr may come in.
I think the game is winnable.
Tend to agree, the changes are fair enough imo. Not sure about winning though - we sure can't afford to go to sleep for a quarter as we did last week.
Interesting for me will be to see Phillips against Martin.
Phillips should have him covered for reach and leap, Martin will be very physical so lets see how Phillips deals with that because it hasn't been one of his strengths!
I reckon Kreuser may miss and probably Kerr will come in.
Kerr has shown more than Harry so far.
Harry is developing slowly and is a long term prospect.
He'll make the grade, but may need another season yet`.
I don't mind the look of the side at all. Lochie was rested last week and Paddy needs a spell. Good move.
Marchbank has been training well apparently and will be better than Mullet.
Interesting for me will be to see Phillips against Martin.
Phillips should have him covered for reach and leap, Martin will be very physical so lets see how Phillips deals with that because it hasn't been one of his strengths!
Phillips physicality is fine. His problem is he isn't fit enough due to his injuries and isn't as much value around the ground as Kreuzer but he's better value in the ruck.
The ruck role is becoming a headache (thankfully). Kreuzer's injuries are going to cost him. I look at him and I see Josh Fraser Mach two.
Phillips physicality is fine. His problem is he isn't fit enough due to his injuries and isn't as much value around the ground as Kreuzer but he's better value in the ruck.
The ruck role is becoming a headache (thankfully). Kreuzer's injuries are going to cost him. I look at him and I see Josh Fraser Mach two.
Phillips is not "physically" aggressive like Martin, not even close! Phillips will wrestle, but in the past he'd take a back step if someone starts jumping into him like Mumford or Martin do! It's fair enough, Phillips has been on the end of a lot of injuries, but he's got time he's still 2 or 3 years away from being at his peak.
This time next season will be a good tell for a fit Phillips.
Not this season LP. He brought physicality from the get go this year. He's in because we are worried that Kreuzer's broken again. For a player who's been at the club since 2008 he's broken down more times than he's won us games and there's no point using a Casboult, or Rowe or Jones against a ruckman who would be in all Australian conversation in a better team.
Not this season LP. He brought physicality from the get go this year. He's in because we are worried that Kreuzer's broken again. For a player who's been at the club since 2008 he's broken down more times than he's won us games and there's no point using a Casboult, or Rowe or Jones against a ruckman who would be in all Australian conversation in a better team.
I agree Thry he been better.
But he's yet to come up against an physically aggressive opponent.
He's done well against the high jumpers, Nic Nat and Ryder, wasn't so good against Jacobs who is more of a wrestler and played against a child in English. That's his season, so I'm not sure you can call him as up for the fight from that lot, but he has improved no doubt!
I reckon Kreuser may miss and probably Kerr will come in.
Kerr has shown more than Harry so far.
Harry is developing slowly and is a long term prospect.
He'll make the grade, but may need another season yet`.
I don't mind the look of the side at all. Lochie was rested last week and Paddy needs a spell. Good move.
Marchbank has been training well apparently and will be better than Mullet.
In a nutshell. Yep, sums it up nicely.
Not this season LP. He brought physicality from the get go this year. He's in because we are worried that Kreuzer's broken again. For a player who's been at the club since 2008 he's broken down more times than he's won us games and there's no point using a Casboult, or Rowe or Jones against a ruckman who would be in all Australian conversation in a better team.
If we're still worried about Kreuzer then don't play him. Two ruckmen have failed us every time. I'm happy to let McKay, Levi, Jones, ruck for a little bit. Tapouts aren't that important, you can still win clearances to a losing ruck. We and others regularly do it. I'd prefer players that can hit the scoreboard than one that might win a few extra tapouts. Far more important. Not as if we can't afford to play players who can hit the scoreboard. Levi needed to be dropped tom play McKay or Kerr. We have 1000 tall defenders so Jones could've relieved ruck.
I reckon Kreuser may miss and probably Kerr will come in.
Kerr has shown more than Harry so far.
Harry is developing slowly and is a long term prospect.
He'll make the grade, but may need another season yet`.
I don't mind the look of the side at all. Lochie was rested last week and Paddy needs a spell. Good move.
Marchbank has been training well apparently and will be better than Mullet.
Yes, Kerr might've have shown more but McKay has hit the scoreboard alot more.
Correct statement just not sure how one reconciles it...lol.
Yes, Kerr might've have shown more but McKay has hit the scoreboard alot more.
Correct statement just not sure how one reconciles it...lol.
http://www.afl.com.au/stats/stats-pro#/Compare?playerIds=CD_I998116,CD_I1000953&comparisonTab=h2h
If we could combine Kerr's work ethic and sacrificial efforts with McKay's physical attributes and goal scoring we'd be on a winner.
In Kerr's second game I watched him make unrewarded lead after lead as if we had some stupid upfield decision making or game plan, it's like we didn't trust him to make mark the ball or kick the goal. We were playing Geelong and I made the comment to a mate that Kerr obviously had the Brownless decoy forward role for this week! Kerr would lead up to the ball carrier, and we'd kick over his head to someone like Wright, SPS or Lamb in the pocket surrounded by three Geelong defenders.
But we've been doing this for years, it's bullsh1t football!
Kick the ball to the lead-up forward , and tell the smalls to get off the cheap goal drip-feed and get out front and square, you don't have to be Einstein!
http://www.afl.com.au/stats/stats-pro#/Compare?playerIds=CD_I998116,CD_I1000953&comparisonTab=h2h
Two very different types of forwards. One's the typical FF, good and quick on the lead, the other is more likely to try to take a mark as well as being capable kick goals running type goals. Mckay is likely to take Levi's role. We have plenty of variety with our KP forwards.
Good to see Mckay is above average in tackles.
If we could combine Kerr's work ethic and sacrificial efforts with McKay's physical attributes and goal scoring we'd be on a winner.
In Kerr's second game I watched him make unrewarded lead after lead as if we had some stupid upfield decision making or game plan, it's like we didn't trust him to make the ball or kick the goal. We were playing Geelong and I made the comment to a mate that Kerr obviously had the Brownless decoy forward role for this week! Kerr would lead up to the ball carrier, and we'd kick over his head to someone like Wright, SPS or Lamb in the pocket surrounded by three Geelong defenders.
But we've been doing this for years, it's bullsh1t football!
Kick the ball to the lead-up forward , and tell the smalls to get off the cheap goal drip-feed and get out front and square, you don't have to be Einstein!
Yep, this so true sadly.
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2018-07-06/why-the-blues-dropped-levi#/
The AFL media is pumping up Charlie the Lion killer.
Obviously they want Hodge to surgically remove a kidney!
Personally I hope Kerr gets a run and Hodge tries to fill his space!
Phillips is not "physically" aggressive like Martin, not even close! Phillips will wrestle, but in the past he'd take a back step if someone starts jumping into him like Mumford or Martin do! It's fair enough, Phillips has been on the end of a lot of injuries, but he's got time he's still 2 or 3 years away from being at his peak.
This time next season will be a good tell for a fit Phillips.
Taking a backwards step in the ruck is not a sign of weakness its a tactic. Every ruckman who can do it, does so, when the opportunity arises.
Ruckman jump early to essentially 'ground' opposition ruckmen. If they go too early, step back, let them go up...and down, and while they are on the way down reach up and get the tap. Kreuzer does it too.
Phillips isn't as physical as Mumford was, but nobody was.
Phillips has actually got a bit of agro about him. Must be the hair. I'm more than happy with what he offers. If he could get some continuity at AFL level, he'd surprise many on here, and in the AFL.
Phillips, if fit, would be in my 22 each week. But I'd play K different to how we play him.
I like it.
- I reckon IF Kreuzer plays, he'll play fwd alot and Phillips will have a crack at Martin. All Flip needs to do is break even with Martin (like he did vs Ryder). Mackay or Kerr will come in if Kreuzer doesnt get up.
- Dow needs a rest.
- Levi was bad last week, whether it was form or a sore hand, either way the omission is good.
- Mullet and Garlett omissions fair enough.
- Marchy straight in, I guess thats how highly he is rated internally and quite frankly, I happy to see him back. If he doesnt come up, Kerr may come in.
Hard to argue - so I won't.
I would like to see Kreuzer spend a little time as a non-rucking midfielder
Hard to argue - so I won't.
I would like to see Kreuzer spend a little time as a non-rucking midfielder
Why would you play Kreuzer as a midfielder when you can play a midfielder there. He's a ruckman who's good around the ground, not a running mid. It's the the stupid idea of playing two ruckman. Other than failing us most times, it effects both player's game. A ruck is going to be forward near the entire game when neither are any good at it. Why play a ruck up forward when you are play a forward who hit's the scoreboard. Levi needed to be dropped (for McKay) but he kicked 34 goals last year. Kreuzer and Phillips wouldn't get half of that combined. To win game you need a properly balanced side playing their roles and to their strengths. We play our's to our weaknesses. Two rucks and 4 tall defenders, just Charlie as our key forward. What actually goes on at Match Committee level.
Why would you play Kreuzer as a midfielder when you can play a midfielder there. He's a ruckman who's good around the ground, not a running mid. It's the the stupid idea of playing two ruckman. Other than failing us most times, it effects both player's game. A ruck is going to be forward near the entire game when neither are any good at it. Why play a ruck up forward when you are play a forward who hit's the scoreboard. Levi needed to be dropped (for McKay) but he kicked 34 goals last year. Kreuzer and Phillips wouldn't get half of that combined. To win game you need a properly balanced side playing their roles and to their strengths. We play our's to our weaknesses. Two rucks and 4 tall defenders, just Charlie as our key forward. What actually goes on at Match Committee level.
we are not full of fit midfielders at the moment.
Why would you play Kreuzer as a midfielder when you can play a midfielder there. He's a ruckman who's good around the ground, not a running mid. It's the the stupid idea of playing two ruckman. Other than failing us most times, it effects both player's game. A ruck is going to be forward near the entire game when neither are any good at it. Why play a ruck up forward when you are play a forward who hit's the scoreboard. Levi needed to be dropped (for McKay) but he kicked 34 goals last year. Kreuzer and Phillips wouldn't get half of that combined. To win game you need a properly balanced side playing their roles and to their strengths. We play our's to our weaknesses. Two rucks and 4 tall defenders, just Charlie as our key forward. What actually goes on at Match Committee level.
We have been playing one ruck most of the year and how is that working out for us?
Hard to argue with that MBB. Send Jed Lamb to Hodge to antagonise and goad him. Pinch, punch and niggle til he snaps. Curnow to Beams, Cripps to smash Zorko at every ball up, Murph to play a game in the guts instead of HB. Need Samo to rediscover some of his first year spark.
I actually don't mind the team we've selected, may have put McKay in for Silvagni and possibly Lang in for Polson but hey, can't make too many changes can you?
Why would you play Kreuzer as a midfielder when you can play a midfielder there. He's a ruckman who's good around the ground, not a running mid. It's the the stupid idea of playing two ruckman. Other than failing us most times, it effects both player's game. A ruck is going to be forward near the entire game when neither are any good at it. Why play a ruck up forward when you are play a forward who hit's the scoreboard. Levi needed to be dropped (for McKay) but he kicked 34 goals last year. Kreuzer and Phillips wouldn't get half of that combined. To win game you need a properly balanced side playing their roles and to their strengths. We play our's to our weaknesses. Two rucks and 4 tall defenders, just Charlie as our key forward. What actually goes on at Match Committee level.
I'm hearing you re match committee, been saying it all year.
Agree about Kreuzer being played as a mid too.
However to suggest that 2 rucks is plain stupid needs to be taken with a grain of salt when the alternative is playing a bloke at FF who can't kick straight. What is more stupid??
Or..
Playing a kid at FF who doesn't know how to get the ball and/or use his size to his advantage. Yes, almost, 2 goals a game is good, but lets not forget how many cheap goals are included in that.
Of course there is always the possibility that he (along with Kerr) are not fully fit.
Not to mention that perhaps we are trying to compare apples with apples in the ruck to see what are long term future with Phillips could be.
This is, yet another, development year.
Since our season was over (officially after rd 4) Phillips and McKay should have been played.
Why are they held to higher standards than Weitering or Silvagni who have to play about 4 shockers in a row to get dropped?
Since our season was over (officially after rd 4) Phillips and McKay should have been played.
Why are they held to higher standards than Weitering or Silvagni who have to play about 4 shockers in a row to get dropped?
Totally agree re. McKay. Mystery that one.
Phillip's... we can't play 2 rucks. You're effectively starting the game 1 player down as both players can only play the one role so end up sharing it and bring a liability when resting elsewhere. Kreuzers form drops whenever a 2nd ruck comes in.
Phillip's... we can't play 2 rucks. You're effectively starting the game 1 player down as both players can only play the one role so end up sharing it and bring a liability when resting elsewhere. Kreuzers form drops whenever a 2nd ruck comes in.
Some averages from this year.
HitoutsPhillips - 34/game
Kreuzer - 24
Casboult - 8
McKay - 1
PossessionsKreuzer - 14/game
Casboult - 9
Phillips - 8
McKay - 8
GoalsMcKay - 2/game
Casboult - 1.3
Phillips - 0.75
Kruezer - 0.5
What does it all mean?
1. Phillips is better in the hitouts than Kreuzer and should take most of the rucking contests.
2. Kreuzer gets more of the ball and should play as a roaming ruck.
3. Despite Phillips playing as the #1 ruck he only scores 0.6 goals a game less than the (largely stay at home) forward Casboult, so should rest down there
4. Phillips conversion rate over his career is 77% compared to Casboults 57% (which doesn't include copious amounts of OOB shots)
5. McKay offers basically nothing as a backup ruck option or around the ground.
Overall i think Kreuzer is running at 80% and McKay can't play backup ruck. Phillips is a much better ruck than casboult and given more time up forward could match his output there as well. As stated he is a mere 0.6 goals a game behind casboult this season, despite playing a small % up forward in comparison.
You say we are 1 player down playing 2 rucks.
I'm saying we are 1 player down playing an undperforming casboult already.
Some averages from this year.
Hitouts
Phillips - 34/game
Kreuzer - 24
Casboult - 8
McKay - 1
Possessions
Kreuzer - 14/game
Casboult - 9
Phillips - 8
McKay - 8
Goals
McKay - 2/game
Casboult - 1.3
Phillips - 0.75
Kruezer - 0.5
What does it all mean?
1. Phillips is better in the hitouts than Kreuzer and should take most of the rucking contests.
2. Kreuzer gets more of the ball and should play as a roaming ruck.
3. Despite Phillips playing as the #1 ruck he only scores 0.6 goals a game less than the (largely stay at home) forward Casboult, so should rest down there
4. Phillips conversion rate over his career is 77% compared to Casboults 57% (which doesn't include copious amounts of OOB shots)
5. McKay offers basically nothing as a backup ruck option or around the ground.
Overall i think Kreuzer is running at 80% and McKay can't play backup ruck. Phillips is a much better ruck than casboult and given more time up forward could match his output there as well. As stated he is a mere 0.6 goals a game behind casboult this season, despite playing a small % up forward in comparison.
You say we are 1 player down playing 2 rucks.
I'm saying we are 1 player down playing an undperforming casboult already.
I happen to agree with you. The MC doesn't often.
McKay will offer more in the ruck in time. As will Casboult when he is fit and in form. But neither of those are likely today.
Rumor that Simpson a late withdrawal and Lang in.
Rumor that Simpson a late withdrawal and Lang in.
We must be tanking. :)
Rumor that Simpson a late withdrawal and Lang in.
It's no rumor, confirmed Lang is a replacement.
That's what you get for playing too well and making an effort at Carlton, the kibosh! ;D
Simmo's playing well enough to go around again, not sure it's in the interest of the club that happens, but if they want him to remain they have to look after the old man! ;)
It's no rumor, confirmed Lang is a replacement.
That's what you get for playing too well and making an effort at Carlton, the kibosh! ;D
Simmo's playing well enough to go around again, not sure it's in the interest of the club that happens, but if they want him to remain they have to look after the old man! ;)
He's an old gerry and partied too hard after his 300th - can't hack the pace. ;)
He's an old gerry and partied too hard after his 300th - can't hack the pace. ;)
Downing a case of 2003 Grange won't help, might be a tad dehydrating! ;)