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Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2020 Rd 12: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #30 –
Quote from: LP – on
I think this is one season where you can just focus on the little things and forget the big picture, the dynamic and dramatic swings we see in games is direct evidence even the players are treating it like a pre-season!

Just focus on the little things, because nobody but the winner is going to take this season with any seriousness!

You can't even train much to practice halting the swings with so many games on. Even then you can't often use your full squad. Do alot for development though if they have to play under pressure for a finals spot each week even if they miss out. Making it doesn't matter that much but fighting each weeks to stay in contention will help.
 

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2020 Rd 12: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #31 –
Why train to practice halting the swings, when you have real life match simulation in which to do it?

Its not like it hasnt happened every week this season.

What I am really struggling with though, is how are you supposed to arrest a match swing, when you have a passage of play that allows a ball up on the wing, to have an opposition mid like Yeo take it out of the ruck (no bounce) kick it into forward 50 where ball comes to ground in a contest.  liam Ryan picks it up, is tackled and he spills the ball in that tackle (no incorrect disposal and should have been a holding the ball decision anyway) in the subsequent ball spilling, Simpson is unable to paddle it out to advantage, Sheed(or was it waterman?) is able to kick it short to Kennedy who goes back and converts?

What is a team supposed to do there to stop that passage of play unfolding?  Go contest the ruck illegally?  Or are they supposed to pick up the ball cleaner than anyone else?

For arguments sake, this was when the score read 41 to 28 in our favour.  That goal reduced our lead to 7 points.  The next one was the SPS holding the ball decision from memory to put them back to a 1 point difference.

HOW DO YOU STOP UMPIRES FROM KILLING A GAME OF FOOTBALL.  Being better is not an adequate response.

I am so screwing angry about this game. Its one that was taken from us rather than us being crap.  I can cop us being crap, but that 3rd quarter was so screwing one sided, it made a mockery of the competition.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2020 Rd 12: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #32 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Why train to practice halting the swings, when you have real life match simulation in which to do it?

Its not like it hasnt happened every week this season.

What I am really struggling with though, is how are you supposed to arrest a match swing, when you have a passage of play that allows a ball up on the wing, to have an opposition mid like Yeo take it out of the ruck (no bounce) kick it into forward 50 where ball comes to ground in a contest.  liam Ryan picks it up, is tackled and he spills the ball in that tackle (no incorrect disposal and should have been a holding the ball decision anyway) in the subsequent ball spilling, Simpson is unable to paddle it out to advantage, Sheed(or was it waterman?) is able to kick it short to Kennedy who goes back and converts?

What is a team supposed to do there to stop that passage of play unfolding?  Go contest the ruck illegally?  Or are they supposed to pick up the ball cleaner than anyone else?

For arguments sake, this was when the score read 41 to 28 in our favour.  That goal reduced our lead to 7 points.  The next one was the SPS holding the ball decision from memory to put them back to a 1 point difference.

HOW DO YOU STOP UMPIRES FROM KILLING A GAME OF FOOTBALL.  Being better is not an adequate response.

I am so screwing angry about this game. Its one that was taken from us rather than us being crap.  I can cop us being crap, but that 3rd quarter was so screwing one sided, it made a mockery of the competition.

Unfortunately you do have to practice time and again so it becomes 2nd nature under pressure. You won't get that come match day where you have to suddenly learn it under extreme pressure. That's going to be a pre-season thing to establish it properly. It's like any sport, practice makes perfect. 

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2020 Rd 12: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #33 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
I am so screwing angry about this game. Its one that was taken from us rather than us being crap.  I can cop us being crap, but that 3rd quarter was so screwing one sided, it made a mockery of the competition.
Thank-you for posting the Yeo bit, I thought I was dreaming and that surely that didn't happen!

There were only two possible options in that situation, and both of them should have been a free kick to Carlton.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2020 Rd 12: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #34 –
Okay BlueBaggers, it's time we inflicted pain on an opponent, scoreboard pain. Bring it on.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2020 Rd 12: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #35 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on

HOW DO YOU STOP UMPIRES FROM KILLING A GAME OF FOOTBALL. 

I have not watched a full game on TV for probably close to 20 years now.
Love the club (member), love the game but cannot stand the way umpires ruin it with grand standing free kicks that influence games.
TV's are expensive and I like my blood pressure level.
I have been saying the same stuff for years about how we are reemed by the maggots.
I don't mind them umpiring sh$t but keep it the same for both teams ALL the time.
The lopsided way we are treated and the way we have taken it sucks.
I don't mind watching SANFL games, the umps call it as you see it. They have less influence on the game as they do in the AFL.
I used to get really worked up about the bias of umps but I am used to it and expect it now.
If we win then we have just beaten two teams.
2025... Moir of the same to come

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2020 Rd 12: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #36 –
Quote from: BluePhantom – on
I don't mind them umpiring sh$t but keep it the same for both teams ALL the time.
This is really the crux of the matter, it's not the bad decisions.

It's the variable way three umpires implement the same rules on the day because they are working on subjective interpretations rather than literal implementations!

The worst case last weekend was probably the non-decision relating to Kelly, picks up the pill inside his own F50, runs a few steps and is tackled dropping it cold, play on goal Wet Toast. The umpire is in shot, in fact the camera films the whole event almost over the umpires shoulder with the umpire looking towards the play.

Contrast that with SPS, and fans should be burning AFL House down!

Worse still, the way one umpire delivers a pedantic momentum changing decision in the 1st quarter of the game, then does something completely different or nothing in the last 5 minutes of the game that did or could have changed the outcome!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2020 Rd 12: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #37 –
Gee I hope Walters doesn’t return this week.  Fyfe, Walters, Mundy, Brayshaw will be stronger then what we have in there.

Wouldn’t mind seeing Eddie get some midfield minutes - he is a smart user and brings others into the game if he is not touching it much near goal not sure what we lose by giving him some time on the ball.

This will be another game that will be won and lost in the middle imo and Walters playing or not playing could sway the result imo.

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2020 Rd 12: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #38 –
freo have won there last 2 games ,so might work in our fav

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2020 Rd 12: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #39 –
Dropping the ball isnt a free....its either holding the ball or play on, the player has to attempt to kick or handball, grey area arises in what is termed incorrect disposal and where the ball is knocked out of a players hands in a tackle.
Also how long does a player get to dispose of the ball, what constitutes a successful tackle where judgement can be made on the above?......all open to interpretation and abuse.

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2020 Rd 12: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #40 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Dropping the ball isnt a free....its either holding the ball or play on, the player has to attempt to kick or handball, grey area arises in what is termed incorrect disposal and where the ball is knocked out of a players hands in a tackle.
Also how long does a player get to dispose of the ball, what constitutes a successful tackle where judgement can be made on the above?......all open to interpretation and abuse.


Not if you remove prior op. ;)

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2020 Rd 12: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #41 –

Except for a couple of Hawks junk time goals near the end, they were taken apart by Freo during the rest of the game. It could be because Freo played at home, but they were impressive.

We will need to play out the whole game and can't afford yet another brain fade if we are to have any chance of winning.

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2020 Rd 12: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #42 –
I'd like to see some smart changes for this match, Freo have some seriously good young talent who are all very quick so we need to match that.

B: Docherty, Weitering, Plowman
HB: McGovern, Jones, Simpson
C: Petrevski-Seton, Cripps, Walsh
HF: Fisher, Casboult, Cuningham
F: Betts, McKay, Gibbons
R: Pittonet, Kennedy, Setterfield
I/C:  DeKoning, Dow, E. Curnow, O'Brien

IN : Dow, O'Brien
OUT : Martin, Murphy
"The Other Teams Can Rot In Hell"

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2020 Rd 12: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #43 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Gee I hope Walters doesn’t return this week.  Fyfe, Walters, Mundy, Brayshaw will be stronger then what we have in there.

Wouldn’t mind seeing Eddie get some midfield minutes - he is a smart user and brings others into the game if he is not touching it much near goal not sure what we lose by giving him some time on the ball.

This will be another game that will be won and lost in the middle imo and Walters playing or not playing could sway the result imo.

Agree..Walters is a bogeyman and we dont really have a matchup down back for him.....hope we man Fyfe and dont let him just play off Cripps that never seems to work vs Freo and Fyfe always is a good player. Setterfield for Mundy, I'd tag Fyfe with Curnow, tough gig given Fyfe is a bigger unit but Ed is the fittest and best bet IMO.
I wouldnt play both Dow and Obrien either, I'd just pick the one if we go that way....

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2020 Rd 12: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #44 –
Quote from: LordLucifer – on
I'd like to see some smart changes for this match, Freo have some seriously good young talent who are all very quick so we need to match that.

B: Docherty, Weitering, Plowman
HB: McGovern, Jones, Simpson
C: Petrevski-Seton, Cripps, Walsh
HF: Fisher, Casboult, Cuningham
F: Betts, McKay, Gibbons
R: Pittonet, Kennedy, Setterfield
I/C:  DeKoning, Dow, E. Curnow, O'Brien

IN : Dow, O'Brien
OUT : Martin, Murphy

smart changes? Lose 2 of our best runners? 1 might be forced.

FYI, McGovern would be an 'in', as would Harry.
Outs would have to include Cottrell and Newnes

So you've matched their speed by making our team slower and less mobile overall.
Smart.