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Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #90 –
After all that, the season is glass half full despite the frustrations the year has brought. We've only played one bad game but a number of frustrating ones. We have been highly competitive against any side, but lacked the composure to go out and finish sides off when on top. Last qtrs in big games under pressure have killed us. 4 sides in the 8, 2 in the top 4 we had control of of to let it slip. So we are good enough, no composed enough. Alot of gains this year, about where we should be, but it could've been so much better. 6-8 really should be 8-6. When you've had a losing mentality for years suddenly being in a position to win games and play finals was something we couldn't cope with. Part of the process I suppose. We couldn't kick that extra goal to really put the heat on the opposition and continually left the door ajar for them by not having the composure to both use the ball and to kick straight when needed. Last 7 second halves has resulted in us scoring 13.42! Not going to win alot kicking at goal like that. Had to have been 2-3 more wins if that was 42.13, or even 25.20. It's been nice to be playing for finals 3 games out, such a lovely change, but brings a much higher level of frustration too when it goes wrong. Win last night and we likely make with our draw. Swans did the right things by us, we got out to 15pts up at 3/4 time but sadly $hit the bed again. So rather than be out of the 8 on percentage we are now 2 games out. Overall the the progress has been good but there is still so much to get right to keep taking steps.

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #91 –
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Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #92 –
Quote from: laj – on
After all that, the season is glass half full despite the frustrations the year has brought. We've only played one bad game but a number of frustrating ones. We have been highly competitive against any side, but lacked the composure to go out and finish sides off when on top. Last qtrs in big games under pressure have killed us. 4 sides in the 8, 2 in the top 4 we had control of of to let it slip. So we are good enough, no composed enough. Alot of gains this year, about where we should be, but it could've been so much better. 6-8 really should be 8-6. When you've had a losing mentality for years suddenly being in a position to win games and play finals was something we couldn't cope with. Part of the process I suppose. We couldn't kick that extra goal to really put the heat on the opposition and continually left the door ajar for them by not having the composure to both use the ball and to kick straight when needed. Last 7 second halves has resulted in us scoring 13.42! Not going to win alot kicking at goal like that. Had to have been 2-3 more wins if that was 42.13, or even 25.20. It's been nice to be playing for finals 3 games out, such a lovely change, but brings a much higher level of frustration too when it goes wrong. Win last night and we likely make with our draw. Swans did the right things by us, we got out to 15pts up at 3/4 time but sadly $hit the bed again. So rather than be out of the 8 on percentage we are now 2 games out. Overall the the progress has been good but there is still so much to get right to keep taking steps.
Good post Jim, agree with it. But where or how does the improvement in composure come about? Is it one of those things you have or you havent? With another preseason and some serious work on his kicking, I can see H taking a game apart. He did everything right the last two weeks except kick a bag. So I can see how H can improve that aspect. Non contributors can be turfed, I get that. But the decision making which in turn relates to composure? Thats the bit I cant see ATM, and I am looking straight at the leaders and more experienced players here. Time will indeed tell.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #93 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Good post Jim, agree with it. But where or how does the improvement in composure come about? Is it one of those things you have or you havent? With another preseason and some serious work on his kicking, I can see H taking a game apart. He did everything right the last two weeks except kick a bag. So I can see how H can improve that aspect. Non contributors can be turfed, I get that. But the decision making which in turn relates to composure? Thats the bit I cant see ATM, and I am looking straight at the leaders and more experienced players here. Time will indeed tell.

It's something you learn. Alot of sides, athletes etc, branded as chokers have learned to cope and gone on to win flags, gold medal, major tournaments etc. Once you have that composure alot of those other aspect can fall into place. It's something Richmond went through for quite a while. Often it's a part of development and comes with confidence. Once we get start to get that and a winning mentality that falls into place. Some players then with puff their chest out, feel more confident and feel like leaders.

We've been a typical sides that have been losers for years suddenly, in one year, have had to cope with the sudden expectation of trying to play finals. Mentally we weren't ready at all. Physical improvement was well ahead of the mental improvement.

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #94 –
As a forum group, we're clearly annoyed

Justifiably so.  Just so many dud picks, it astounds me.  It is what it is, but it's also what it shouldn't be.  Exasperating

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #95 –
Only caught the second half but seriously, if we can't recruit blokes who can kick properly then it doesn't matter which 22 are out there or which 45 you have in the squad! I'd struggle to find anyone who'd you'd say is "elite" with ball in hand. The kicking into the forward line after 1/2 time was about as poor as it gets. And when McKay does get it, he's a 1 in 4 chance of kicking it....if he's our key forward, those odds will kill us.

Weitering was superb again and can hold his head pretty high all year. Walsh too.....but the rest drop away pretty quick.

Hate to say it but Cripps looks cooked for the year and should probably be "managed" for the rest of the season. He's a liability when he's kicking it....can't sugar coat it.

Dow had 8 possessions....if there's a suitor at the end of the year then seriously have to take what we can get. Not his fault he was taken at pick 3 but he's simply not up to AFL level.

Easy to say we've improved but it could be SO much worse. Newnes after the siren shot was a miracle.....if not for Jones' head we would've lost the Essendon game and gave up a 5 goal lead to Geelong who nearly pinched it. If those games had gone the other way, we'd have 3 wins for the year and I reckon things wouldn't be quite as "level headed" as they are at the moment.

If we don't throw some serious cash and draft picks at the trade table this year and chase some Free Agents (who can kick), then we're set for a longer stint in the nether regions of the ladder. Other than Walsh and Weitering I can't think of too many other of the younger/earlier draft picks that are standing up to it....too early to comment on the 2019 draft picks.

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #96 –
Dow is still playing U18 football, his kicking is one thing but his nous and awareness is poor and either he hasnt been coached well or he cant mentally handle the upgrade playing senior footy.
He has decent size, shape and can do the odd good piece of play like his goal vs GWS was well thought out but in general field play he becomes a novice kid like he is playing his first game.
On the wing he was cornered, ran into trouble and should have been pinged for throwing the ball but he gave up mentally in that contest, turned it over and couldnt think it through. He really needs a mentor like Chris Judd to work with if he is going to make it IMO or another club who might be able to coach him differently and make him grow up a bit quicker.
You look at Walsh and its like he is a 30 year old veteran comparing him to Dow who looks like a 1st year rookie...

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #97 –
Walsh sure is something. Exactly what we needed, thank goodness we picked him.

Tbh I felt like Dow wasn't excited to be there - i watched the first quarter again and after his goal, the celebration was all pretty lacklustre. Maybe he'll be another that leaves and does better in another team.

wouldn't mind those 2 GWS players that have the blonde ponytails (memo - that fashion is well over!) - they were both so solid last night.  Himelberg I think and the one at the back that marked everything that - in fairness to us - we kicked directly to him.

Re accuracy, the better teams also cough it up, but they don't stop, they are relentless and don't go to sleep for a quarter or two.  So errors are not as costly because they work so hard in the contest until the siren.  for us, we make a mistake and it's like crickets, no one bothering to try again and again and again.

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #98 –
Haynes for them is a superb player....up there with Jeremy McGovern IMH as an intercept marking defender. He reads it so well and uses it well too.

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #99 –
Quote from: Micky0 – on
Walsh sure is something. Exactly what we needed, thank goodness we picked him.

Tbh I felt like Dow wasn't excited to be there - i watched the first quarter again and after his goal, the celebration was all pretty lacklustre. Maybe he'll be another that leaves and does better in another team.

wouldn't mind those 2 GWS players that have the blonde ponytails (memo - that fashion is well over!) - they were both so solid last night.  Himelberg I think and the one at the back that marked everything that - in fairness to us - we kicked directly to him.

Re accuracy, the better teams also cough it up, but they don't stop, they are relentless and don't go to sleep for a quarter or two.  So errors are not as costly because they work so hard in the contest until the siren.  for us, we make a mistake and it's like crickets, no one bothering to try again and again and again.

Haynes is the one down back and will be AA, wouldnt mind him in a Blues jumper, great endurance and one of the better intercept marks in the comp. Himmelberg looks good at times but never does enough IMO but was good after half time.
Thought Haynes, Greene and new kid Riccardi won them the game, the rest of the GWS group were very low impact.

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #100 –
SOS tried on a couple of occasions to get Haynes before he was this Haynes.

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #101 –
Quote from: Micky0 – on
Tbh I felt like Dow wasn't excited to be there - i watched the first quarter again and after his goal, the celebration was all pretty lacklustre. Maybe he'll be another that leaves and does better in another team.

I don't know what to make of this.   Is this a knock on Dow's personality?      Needs to be more extroverted?

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #102 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Haynes is the one down back and will be AA, wouldnt mind him in a Blues jumper, great endurance and one of the better intercept marks in the comp. Himmelberg looks good at times but never does enough IMO but was good after half time.
Thought Haynes, Greene and new kid Riccardi won them the game, the rest of the GWS group were very low impact.
One at the back, one in the middle, one up front. Greene was the one for mine, pushed up the ground, got the ball and did a Pendlebury where everything slowed down around him. Cool, calm, collected and just found the right option.Haynes just marked everything most of the night. You'd reckon they would have worked out they needed to kick it slightly longer.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership
 

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #103 –
Got give Dow some time.   Another that is 42 games in.  Yeah there are guys like Walsh who hit the ground running, but he is an athletic beast.

Plenty in his draft year that a yet to hit their straps.    I am not convinced he is going to be a star or even a good player but he needs time.

This from Deisel 24 days ago who doesn't tend to pull his punches.

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2020/08/10/he-should-be-playing-blues-great-pushes-youngsters-case/

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“I think it’s a maturity thing with him. He should be playing," the dual Brownlow Medallist said.

“He’s got to earn his spot … I’m not there at the moment but there’s no reason why he shouldn’t be playing and if he’s not, another pre-season will help him.

“It’s a maturity thing but he’s got power that kid, he’s quick and skilful.”

Re: Post Game Commiserations AFL 2020 Rd 15: Carlton vs GWS

Reply #104 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
One at the back, one in the middle, one up front. Greene was the one for mine, pushed up the ground, got the ball and did a Pendlebury where everything slowed down around him. Cool, calm, collected and just found the right option.Haynes just marked everything most of the night. You'd reckon they would have worked out they needed to kick it slightly longer.
Amazing player really is Greene , isnt tall@181cm but takes marks, imposes himself on the game and brings others into the game. Thought Coniglio was terrible, just laughed at Mummy who spent the first ten minutes trying to clean up every navy Blue body he could, laughed again when Cripps dumped his fat ar$e in a tackle too in the middle of the ground...GWS were putrid last night and how the coach got a two year extension baffles me.