Re: Herald Sun 2022 Best 22 Reply #15 – October 08, 2021, 02:29:48 pm Cunningham will need to be eased back in after a knee, can't see him impacting early in the year, but we need his pace and spread. Newnes, Newman, Setterfield, Ed... Those types are going to get phased out as the season progesses in favour of younger, quicker options IMO Quote Selected
Re: Herald Sun 2022 Best 22 Reply #16 – October 08, 2021, 02:47:09 pm Quote from: jeza – on October 08, 2021, 12:50:27 pmI'd go with...B Nic Newman Jacob Weitering Zac WilliamsHB Mitch McGovern Liam Jones Adam Saad M George Hewett Patrick Cripps Zac Fisher HF Josh Honey Charlie Curnow Jack MartinF Tom De Koning Harry McKay Jack Silvagni R Marc Pittonet Adam Cerra Sam Walsh I Liam Stocker Matthew Kennedy Ed Curnow Paddy Dow This is a bit more realistic than the team printed above. Quote Selected
Re: Herald Sun 2022 Best 22 Reply #17 – October 08, 2021, 04:00:14 pm Quote from: jeza – on October 08, 2021, 12:50:27 pmI'd go with...B Nic Newman Jacob Weitering Zac WilliamsHB Mitch McGovern Liam Jones Adam Saad M George Hewett Patrick Cripps Zac Fisher HF Josh Honey Charlie Curnow Jack MartinF Tom De Koning Harry McKay Jack Silvagni R Marc Pittonet Adam Cerra Sam Walsh I Liam Stocker Matthew Kennedy Ed Curnow Paddy Dow I would have Stocker, Kennedy, Dow and even Setterfield ahead of Fisher in the mids. Fisher needs to develop further as a pressure half-forward if he wants regular game time. Quote Selected
Re: Herald Sun 2022 Best 22 Reply #18 – October 08, 2021, 06:35:51 pm FB: Stocker - Weitering - Marchbank** **Plowman plays if Marchbank is not up to it.HB: Newman - Jones - SaadC: Williams - Cripps - Walsh HF: Martin - C. Curnow - CuninghamFF: Silvagni - McKay - FisherR: Pittonet - Cerra - DowINT: Young - Hewitt - Kennedy - TDKSub: E. CurnowEMG: Plowman - Honey - OwiesNext in line....McGovern - Kemp - SetterfieldNewnes - LOB - FogartyWilliamson - Durdin - Cottrell... Quote Selected
Re: Herald Sun 2022 Best 22 Reply #19 – October 08, 2021, 06:38:58 pm Quote from: tonyo – on October 08, 2021, 04:00:14 pmI would have Stocker, Kennedy, Dow and even Setterfield ahead of Fisher in the mids. Fisher needs to develop further as a pressure half-forward if he wants regular game time.Fisher isnt a natural forward, he made his name as a U18 midfielder and was recruited on that basis, I find it odd we try and turn players into something else and ignore recruiting specialists for specialist areas.I think Honey and Durdin are natural small forwards and need the time in those positions to develop. I like Fisher and think he is a good footballer but I wonder in the modern game which requires mids with speed and power in the main, other than the wing where can you play him. Quote Selected Last Edit: October 08, 2021, 10:49:22 pm by ElwoodBlues1 1 Likes Liked by: Thryleon
Re: Herald Sun 2022 Best 22 Reply #20 – October 08, 2021, 06:52:13 pm B Saad Jones KempHB Williams Weitering HewettC Dow Stocker CerraHF Martin C. Curnow HoneyF Silvagni McKay DurdinR TDK, Cripps, WalshInt Young, Fogarty, E Curnow, Kennedy Quote Selected
Re: Herald Sun 2022 Best 22 Reply #21 – October 09, 2021, 10:26:48 pm B McGovern Jones SaadHB Williams Weitering HewettC Cunningham Cripps DowHF Honey Curnow MartinF Durdin McKay SilvagniR TDK Walsh StockerYoung, Cerra, Kemp, E CurnowEmerg Pittonet, Fisher, MarchbankDepth Williamson, lob, owies Kennedy setterfield fogarty philp carroll McDonald Plowman Newnes Newman Quote Selected Last Edit: October 10, 2021, 07:01:11 am by JonDorotich
Re: Herald Sun 2022 Best 22 Reply #22 – October 10, 2021, 09:48:43 am Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on October 08, 2021, 06:38:58 pmFisher isnt a natural forward, he made his name as a U18 midfielder and was recruited on that basis, I find it odd we try and turn players into something else and ignore recruiting specialists for specialist areas.I think Honey and Durdin are natural small forwards and need the time in those positions to develop. I like Fisher and think he is a good footballer but I wonder in the modern game which requires mids with speed and power in the main, other than the wing where can you play him.The reality is that not all draftees will get to play in the same position as they did through their underage years, especially those that are on the smaller side. I just don't think Zac has enough size to consistently play as a midfielder - not just height, but also physical power. I would suggest that he and Jack Martin should be looking to wax the role of high half-forward with the odd stint in the middle.And if I were Zac, I would spend some of my summer hours at Melbourne Storm and learn how to tackle consistently. Quote Selected 1 Likes Liked by: DJC
Re: Herald Sun 2022 Best 22 Reply #23 – October 10, 2021, 10:40:29 am Quote from: tonyo – on October 10, 2021, 09:48:43 amThe reality is that not all draftees will get to play in the same position as they did through their underage years, especially those that are on the smaller side. I just don't think Zac has enough size to consistently play as a midfielder - not just height, but also physical power. I would suggest that he and Jack Martin should be looking to wax the role of high half-forward with the odd stint in the middle.And if I were Zac, I would spend some of my summer hours at Melbourne Storm and learn how to tackle consistently.Fair points and I think same about size and power. The other issue I have with him as a forward is his lack of marking ability. Most of the good small forwards can take a decent mark and have that as a weapon or have that express pace.In think he is trouble with Honey and Durdin now in the frame for selection too and view them as more natural forwards.Martin is a talent but needs to contribute more than he does... Quote Selected
Re: Herald Sun 2022 Best 22 Reply #24 – October 10, 2021, 10:44:23 am Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on October 10, 2021, 10:40:29 amFair points and I think same about size and power. The other issue I have with him as a forward is his lack of marking ability. Most of the good small forwards can take a decent mark and have that as a weapon or have that express pace.In think he is trouble with Honey and Durdin now in the frame for selection too and view them as more natural forwards.Martin is a talent but needs to contribute more than he does... One thing Zac Fisher has above the others is he is a quick thinker.Remember Murphys game winning goal against Freo? Have a look at how he got that ball.Not many others would've thought to do that, nor been able to execute.Its little touches like that which made Eddie so good. Fisher gets overlooked for that kind of creativity because it doesn't show up on the stats sheet and its hard to see from 80m away in the stands. Quote Selected 2 Likes Liked by: Thryleon, LP
Re: Herald Sun 2022 Best 22 Reply #25 – October 10, 2021, 10:58:07 am Quote from: kruddler – on October 10, 2021, 10:44:23 amIts little touches like that which made Eddie so good. Fisher gets overlooked for that kind of creativity because it doesn't show up on the stats sheet and its hard to see from 80m away in the stands.I agree.But as an aside, to me that is not really the problem with Fisher, as good as he can be in that small forward role it looks to me like he doesn't want to be there! Quote Selected
Re: Herald Sun 2022 Best 22 Reply #26 – October 10, 2021, 01:11:30 pm Quote from: LP – on October 10, 2021, 10:58:07 amI agree.But as an aside, to me that is not really the problem with Fisher, as good as he can be in that small forward role it looks to me like he doesn't want to be there!Didn't want to be there, but came around to it.Had this convo about 20 times. Check our Making Their Mark on amazon prime. Quote Selected
Re: Herald Sun 2022 Best 22 Reply #27 – October 10, 2021, 01:59:43 pm Quote from: kruddler – on October 10, 2021, 01:11:30 pmHad this convo about 20 times. Check our Making Their Mark on amazon prime.I know what was said, but to me it's a body language thing, he plays that role without joy or celebration.Maybe it's just his way, but I think he is just not as invested in the team as he once was, it could of course be related to carrying injuries. Quote Selected
Re: Herald Sun 2022 Best 22 Reply #28 – October 10, 2021, 02:36:42 pm I like no. 6's (Jon Dorotich) side... just a coupla minor changes for mine:B McGovern Jones SaadHB Newman Weitering KempC Cunningham Cripps CerraHF Honey Curnow MartinF Durdin McKay SilvagniR TDK Walsh StockerInt: Young, Williams, Hewett, E CurnowEmerg: from, Pittonet, Dow, Williamson, Fisher, Marchbank, LOB, Carrol, Plowman & FisherDepth: Owies Setterfield Fogarty Philp McDonald Newnes Quote Selected 1 Likes Liked by: JonDorotich
Re: Herald Sun 2022 Best 22 Reply #29 – October 10, 2021, 03:03:53 pm I've gone for a tall line-up to match Melbourne's seven talls:B: Weitering Jones NewmanHB: Plowman Young SaadC: Dow E Curnow CerraHF: Martin C Curnow De KoningF: Silvagni McKay OwiesR: Pittonet, Cripps, WalshInt: Stocker, Kemp, Williams, HewettEmerg: Fisher, Fogarty, Williamson Quote Selected 1 Likes Liked by: LP