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Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #45 –
Sad we missed out on the 4 points, but in reality, it would have been a steal of a win.  However, this may be one of those losses that teaches us many things:

(1) When we play predictable down-the-line football, we have almost no chance of scoring.  The two patches of the game where we flipped the lever and ran hard through the middle, we ran all over them.  The same thing happened in our fade-outs against WB, Haw and PA.   Better off playing some tempo footy rather than bombing it out of there.

(2) We have the ability to get up off the canvas, which I have not seen for many a year.  The fighting spirit in the second and fourth quarters was fantastic - it's a pity about the third quarter in between.  Take home message is we can now turn things around very quickly and should never consider a game out of reach.

(3) Some of our younger brigade were a bit exposed, but that is not a criticism of them.  Over the next 4 weeks while we are down on some big names due to injury, I think we should be going back to more experienced players like Martin, Williamson etc for the outside roles

(4) We need to free up Adam Saad more - his run and carry was the catalyst for the second quarter turnaround, and he did the same thing in the last.

(5) In the short term, I would definitely try Brodie Kemp in the forward 50 just to provide some aerial competition - too many times we found Owies/Durdin/Motlop trying to outmark much bigger competition and losing.  It also meant we were pushing De Koning into the forward line for more time than normal, and then we got smashed in the ruck.

(6) I really hope there is a 195cm diamond in the MSD who can start playing straight away.  We have Wright, Lynch, Lobb/Tabberner, King over the next 4 games who would be licking their lips about a Weitering-free forward 50..

The next 4 games will be the defining period for our 2022 season.  Win 2 of them, and with troops starting to return, we will be well in the hunt.
This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #46 –
From my perspective it was a great game to watch. The atmosphere was electric especially in the last 10 mins or so and when SOS almost kicked that goal I was jumping up and down with excitement only to be told it was a point.

After these last two years with COVID and not been able to see any football live to be at the MCG with a big crowd against the old enemy it was just unbelievable.

We lost but I was so proud of the boys for sticking to it to almost pull off the win.

Pies played well and maybe with Weitering and  Harry we could of won it.

Yesterday I was pretty happy with the performance and the tram ride back into the city there was a lot of banter between both supporters groups. You could see that it meant so much to so many people that football was back in a big way at the MCG between two big clubs. The rivalry the passion the stick it up them mentality which I have not felt for so long was there yesterday.

Today I feeling a little flat, we should of won it, so close yet so far. But I'm still proud of out boys and I can see the light at the end of tunnel after 20 years of darkness. We may not make the top 4, finals yes I would say, but boy there are a few teams that will be looking over their shoulder at us, because when we get our full team back look out were coming for you.

GO BLUES

 

Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #47 –
Quote from: madbluboy on
Melbourne lost May yesterday and they capitulated.

Its funny how despite all our injuries last year, it was Teagues fault.

We have next to none at the start of this year, we are top 4.

We start having some more and suddenly standards drop again.
What happened to Melbourne should be the gold star example of "its not the coach".

I'm happy with Voss and what he has been able to do.
I'm happier that we've had a good run with our perennially injured players Charlie, Doc....and fingers crossed on Marchbank.

Are we a top 4 side?
Depends on our injuries.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #48 –
Quote from: kruddler on


Are we a top 4 side?
Depends on our injuries.

You could say the same about any side in the 8 at the moment.  In most years, the Premier team has a pretty decent run with injuries, certainly at the business end of the season.

Fingers crossed, we've copped our share, so when we get a few back, the scales of fair/unfair tip a bit back our way and we have a better run in the second half.
This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #49 –
Not sure about May missing being the reason Melbourne lost, they were due like us and Freo have a very decent defense with size which is underated IMO. Langdon and McDonald missing also messed with their structure and both us and the Dees were ripe to be knocked over...

Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #50 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Not sure about May missing being the reason Melbourne lost, they were due like us and Freo have a very decent defense with size which is underated IMO. Langdon and McDonald missing also messed with their structure and both us and the Dees were ripe to be knocked over...
13 of the last 14 goals went to Freo, on the MCG....and its just a coincidence it happened in the same game that May went down?

Please.

Its not simply the goals he stops.
Its not simply the structure he provides
Its also about the confidence he gives the rest of the time
......and the dent in confidence that goes through the group when he goes down.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #51 –
Quote from: kruddler on
13 of the last 14 goals went to Freo, on the MCG....and its just a coincidence it happened in the same game that May went down?

Please.

Its not simply the goals he stops.
Its not simply the structure he provides
Its also about the confidence he gives the rest of the time
......and the dent in confidence that goes through the group when he goes down.
You are under selling Freo a bit and how they matchup, Dees also had key players like Salem and Harmes out plus Freo have a good ruck setup with Darcy and Lobb to match Gawn and Jackson. Darcy beat Gawn and that had nothing to do with May, Aish kept Oliver quiet in the 2nd half after he dominated early, Petracca was held to 10 possies and was putrid. Their defense has real size and strength and they have suitable matchups like Ryan for problem players like Fritsch that we dont.
They won by a decent margin and while I take your point May missing unbalanced Melbourne I dont think he is worth 6-7 goals and that Freos' ability to match the Dees strengths won them the game...

Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #52 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
You are under selling Freo a bit and how they matchup, Dees also had key players like Salem and Harmes out plus Freo have a good ruck setup with Darcy and Lobb to match Gawn and Jackson. Darcy beat Gawn and that had nothing to do with May, Aish kept Oliver quiet in the 2nd half after he dominated early, Petracca was held to 10 possies and was putrid. Their defense has real size and strength and they have suitable matchups like Ryan for problem players like Fritsch that we dont.
They won by a decent margin and while I take your point May missing unbalanced Melbourne I dont think he is worth 6-7 goals and that Freos' ability to match the Dees strengths won them the game...
I'm not underselling Freo. You are overselling them.

Sure, good side. Sit in top 4. Not a 13 out of 14 goal better side though.
Dees were infront when May went down. Kicked the next 3 or so goals, then fell in a heap.

Gawn and Jackson were voted best ruck duo in the league. So Freo matched, or even beat them. Great. Did they beat them by 7 goals because of it? No.

If freo win by 2 goals, nobody says anything.
Its the way freo won, and the inability of the dees to stop them is why this is about May.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #53 –
Quote from: kruddler on
Its funny how despite all our injuries last year, it was Teagues fault.

We have next to none at the start of this year, we are top 4.

We start having some more and suddenly standards drop again.
What happened to Melbourne should be the gold star example of "its not the coach".

I'm happy with Voss and what he has been able to do.
I'm happier that we've had a good run with our perennially injured players Charlie, Doc....and fingers crossed on Marchbank.

Are we a top 4 side?
Depends on our injuries.

Our injuries are worse this year .

Take May, Lever, Gawn and Weiderman out of Melbourne and see how they would go.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #54 –
Quote from: kruddler on
I'm not underselling Freo. You are overselling them.

Sure, good side. Sit in top 4. Not a 13 out of 14 goal better side though.
Dees were infront when May went down. Kicked the next 3 or so goals, then fell in a heap.

Gawn and Jackson were voted best ruck duo in the league. So Freo matched, or even beat them. Great. Did they beat them by 7 goals because of it? No.

If freo win by 2 goals, nobody says anything.
Its the way freo won, and the inability of the dees to stop them is why this is about May.
You keep Gawn, Petracca and Oliver(after half time) to fair games only you beat Melbourne imo.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #55 –
Fark! Been to two games this year....Freo over here and flew over for yesterday....and we've lost them both. Been to two Freo games this year, including Saturday, and they've won them both.

My first Blues v Pies experience live and despite the result, it was worth the trip. Like most, when Weitering went down I thought we'd be hammered. But we rallied in both the second and last quarters and nearly pinched it. It came of the back of superb games from Walsh, Cerra, Hewett and Saad...and a lift from Crippa in the last quarter and a bit too. Saad was magnificent IMO and just love the way he backs himself in.

Few points from observations at the game:

1. Not sure who was on Sidebottom in the 3rd quarter but nobody would go near him. At one point I saw Cottrell screaming at team mates to man up so could only assume he wasn't on him at that point but might've gone onto him in the last and definitely quelled his influence. But he did all the damage in the 3rd.
2. Jack Carroll had a stinker for sure but it's his 4th game and doubt he's played a game like that before with the speed, pressure and crowd noise. He got caught a couple of times and panicked. He's normally got a good kick on him but just couldn't find it yesterday.
3. Saw a couple of times just off the ball where Motlop just stopped and didn't chase when he could've....it was one of the reasons he was recruited...his offensive pressure....he'll need to get onto that before it becomes a bad habit.
4. Owies was quiet for most of the day but, like Durdin, they bring the forward pressure and chipped in for handy goals. Durdin's pace is fantastic.
5. Sitting behind the goals and saw Stocker give it to Ginnivan quite a few times....love the way he goes about it. His kicking can let him down at times but he's got that mongrel in him that we don't really have from any other small/medium defenders. Ginnivan got one of those soft high tackle frees early on but he looked a bit gun-shy knowing Stocker was trying to line him up.
6. Dow got quite a bit of the footy but there must be a distinct difference between VFL and AFL because he didn't get any time and decision making and kicking were poor. If Kennedy is right in a couple of weeks, I'm not sure he holds his spot.

We are truly cursed on the injury front. As others have suggested, we can only hope to pinch a few games in the next 5-6 weeks to try and shore up a spot in the finals and then hope like hell that the likes of McKay, Weitering, Pittonet, Marchbank/McGovern, Williams etc are back in the last few weeks of the season.


Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #56 –
At the G on Saturday and I'd say Longmuir got one up on Goodwin on the day. He shifted players around and it seemed to catch Melbourne off guard after half time. Fremantle's pace looked like it troubled Melbourne a bit. Lobb will likely never play a game like that again so that was a major factor on the day.

But put May, Langon and Salem back in that side and it's probably a loss they needed to have to just reset and go again. Hopefully they can pound Collingwood in a couple of weeks time and bring them back to earth.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #57 –
Quote from: WASurfer on

Sitting behind the goals and saw Stocker give it to Ginnivan quite a few times....love the way he goes about it. His kicking can let him down at times but he's got that mongrel in him that we don't really have from any other small/medium defenders.

It's good that Stocker has the confidence to use his left foot but he seems to use it much more often than his current skill level suggests that he should.  Also, for a player who can be such a good kick with his right foot, he fails to deliver too often and he needs to execute more consistently.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #58 –
Quote from: RiverRat on
It's good that Stocker has the confidence to use his left foot but he seems to use it much more often than his current skill level suggests that he should.  Also, for a player who can be such a good kick with his right foot, he fails to deliver too often and he needs to execute more consistently.
Bit of a lazy left foot at times and misses targets, rest of his game is good but those lazy kicks can be costly.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #59 –
Just like Fisher's one in the 3rd quarter.....terrible turnover that cost a goal. His kicking in the last month or so has been a big reason for our wins but that one yesterday was a shocker...and on his natural foot too.