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AFL Rd 3 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

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Re: AFL Rd 3 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #1 –
With returns by George (possibly to this week) and Walshy in the next few, it poses the question of who makes way.
LOB has been the sub two weeks running (no pun intended) and with Blacres, Ollie and couple of others making the wings their own, I see him getting pushed into the twos meaning someone from the 22 would go to the sub bench plus one other would need to make way, but who?
I assume we will play two rucks.
Players on the chopping block after round one were Owies, Martin and Fisher. Martin succumbed to injury (we think) and Owies and Fisher were persisted with and played good games. But were they good enough?
Ed "The Rookie" Curnow looked in all sorts in the practice games. In rounds 1 and 2, he has taken some pretty handy scalps in Prestia and Guthrie. After a year out, he has lost none of his endurance/gut running and grit and Vossy has stated he is part of the plan (I suspect until form suggests otherwise).
Gov has been much maligned these two weeks but I'm prepared to accept Good Gov/Bad Gov for now because structurally his is vital to us. Played on Dusty at times last week and on Cameron this week and wasn't disgraced (I'd have to watch the game again but live I thought Cameron capitalised on mismatches he created rather beating his opponent one on one).
Thoughts as to who makes way?
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

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Reply #2 –
I realise AFL Coaches love certainty and consistency, but I can see the way the game is heading that there is potential for a club that adopts and manages a good rotation policy to be streets ahead of the opposition at the end of the season. They will also be ahead of the opposition in terms of player retention, especially in the way they can manage senior players.

I think in the long term it is is inevitable that clubs will have certain specialist players who are on the list to do a specific job against specific opposition or at specific venues, for this reason the idea of playing every round needs to become redundant, and perhaps the connection of player wages to match payments also needs revision.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #3 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
With returns by George (possibly to this week) and Walshy in the next few, it poses the question of who makes way.
LOB has been the sub two weeks running (no pun intended) and with Blacres, Ollie and couple of others making the wings their own, I see him getting pushed into the twos meaning someone from the 22 would go to the sub bench plus one other would need to make way, but who?
I assume we will play two rucks.
Players on the chopping block after round one were Owies, Martin and Fisher. Martin succumbed to injury (we think) and Owies and Fisher were persisted with and played good games. But were they good enough?
Ed "The Rookie" Curnow looked in all sorts in the practice games. In rounds 1 and 2, he has taken some pretty handy scalps in Prestia and Guthrie. After a year out, he has lost none of his endurance/gut running and grit and Vossy has stated he is part of the plan (I suspect until form suggests otherwise).
Gov has been much maligned these two weeks but I'm prepared to accept Good Gov/Bad Gov for now because structurally his is vital to us. Played on Dusty at times last week and on Cameron this week and wasn't disgraced (I'd have to watch the game again but live I thought Cameron capitalised on mismatches he created rather beating his opponent one on one).
Thoughts as to who makes way?

SOS imo

Re: AFL Rd 3 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #5 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
With returns by George (possibly to this week) and Walshy in the next few, it poses the question of who makes way.
LOB has been the sub two weeks running (no pun intended) and with Blacres, Ollie and couple of others making the wings their own, I see him getting pushed into the twos meaning someone from the 22 would go to the sub bench plus one other would need to make way, but who?
I assume we will play two rucks.
Players on the chopping block after round one were Owies, Martin and Fisher. Martin succumbed to injury (we think) and Owies and Fisher were persisted with and played good games. But were they good enough?
Ed "The Rookie" Curnow looked in all sorts in the practice games. In rounds 1 and 2, he has taken some pretty handy scalps in Prestia and Guthrie. After a year out, he has lost none of his endurance/gut running and grit and Vossy has stated he is part of the plan (I suspect until form suggests otherwise).
Gov has been much maligned these two weeks but I'm prepared to accept Good Gov/Bad Gov for now because structurally his is vital to us. Played on Dusty at times last week and on Cameron this week and wasn't disgraced (I'd have to watch the game again but live I thought Cameron capitalised on mismatches he created rather beating his opponent one on one).
Thoughts as to who makes way?
Agree on McGovern, watertight in defense he is not and he will probably lose us some games but he makes Weitering and Young better in particular and gives us better structure down back.
He needs selected opponents so he can do his thing without too much damage from his opponent but I prefer him to Plowman and Kemp at this stage.
Cameron is a difficult matchup and because he kicks straight you can look bad real quickly.
McGoverns strength is his rebound and taking those intercept marks.
Tom Stewart doesn't get the most difficult opponent, he gets the easy one that he can run off and rack up the rebound kicks, that's just how those roles work . Kemp long term would replace McGovern but he needs more training and experience..

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Reply #6 –
Quote from: BluePhantom – on
No Way!

I think for team balance as we looked better with TDK and Pitto playing together.

If Gov is moved on EOY then SOS plays in defence for mine.

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Reply #7 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Agree on McGovern, watertight in defense he is not and he will probably lose us some games but he makes Weitering and Young better in particular and gives us better structure down back.
imho, All our D50 are a bit flaky at the moment, all we can ask for is that the win more than they lose, and hope the rest of the team does the same. Probably the most consistent has been Newman.

Saad was better this week, cleaner, he needs to be that way or he loses his advantage. Doc is still a bit fumbly, as is Gov and Young, but they all stood up at the right moment and took significant marks. Weiters was a bit off this week, but after an early poke in the eye and squashed nose he might have an excuse for that.

Which reminds me, I have to ask this again, how the feck is it blokes in the  200cm tall bracket like Weiters, Cripps, BigH can't seem to get awarded frees for high contact, it's just bizarre?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"
 

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Reply #8 –
What was Hawkins trying to do?
Mark? No.
Spoil? No.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #9 –
Quote from: pinot – on
I think for team balance as we looked better with TDK and Pitto playing together.

If Gov is moved on EOY then SOS plays in defence for mine.
In D50 Gov has SoJ easily covered, the club would be inventing a role for SoJ that he isn't suit to.

Before we even worry about that we have to retain TDK or collect someone like BBoH!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #10 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
What was Hawkins trying to do?
Mark? No.
Spoil? No.
Eye gouge? Yes!

He latched onto the right side of Weiters face, and wasn't penalised!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #11 –
Quote from: LP – on
In D50 Gov has SoJ easily covered, the club would be inventing a role for SoJ that he isn't suit to.

Before we even worry about that we have to retain TDK or collect someone like BBoH!

He played defence under 18

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Reply #12 –
Quote from: pinot – on
He played defence under 18
It's not going to help him.

And really, he came into contention playing as a forward in TAC Cup.

I could list dozens of AFL players who were different players in juniors, for example Setterfield was a KPP, Weiters spent more time in F50 than in D50, I think even BigH and BenH swapped roles and ends at times as juniors and have enter AFL as opposites.

AFL is a brutal business, and clubs have to be ruthless to win a flag.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #13 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
What was Hawkins trying to do?
Mark? No.
Spoil? No.
He has form, should be looked at.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

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Reply #14 –
Hawkins is an odd case IMO. Seems to have minor brain fades from time to time, yet generally, to my eyes, seems a pretty clean and fair player. Almost like a gentle giant. Given his size, he has the potential to be a Lockett-style wrecking ball, even allowing for rule changes across different eras, and to inflict more damage than he does.