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Re: AFL 2023 Preliminary Final Carlton vs Brisbane Post Game Prognostications

Reply #60 –
Quote from: Mantis – on
So if we had to play GWS in or the Saints it would have ended any different. We lost against GWS if I remember. It wasn’t about the run in. Eventually you lose to a better squad. Pick 6 players from the Brisbane squad you would swap for our squad. If the result is Nill, then we lost by being too tired or just by bad luck. We did well to get the result we finished with.

GWS was a dead rubber where we went through the motions last round. Just ignore that one. We played 2 of the hardest contested sides in brutal games to get to the PF and got pretty banged up. Then had to follow that with a trip to the Gabba. I'd have been happier playing the Saints and Port, hitting a Melbourne PF in much better shape. I reckon then we beat the Pies. We lost away at the Gabba banged up and cooked, by just 16pts. So, no, there's no.real gap. Easy to.look superior when the other sidebis knackered.

Just the way it works out sometimes. 

Re: AFL 2023 Preliminary Final Carlton vs Brisbane Post Game Prognostications

Reply #61 –
Well done boys you did me proud.

Let’s enjoy the next few weeks then reassess

Re: AFL 2023 Preliminary Final Carlton vs Brisbane Post Game Prognostications

Reply #62 –
The club will regret the it's slow start to the season, cost it a top four spot, and ultimately a GF slot.

Even so, if opponents are allowed to take legs and hit lower backs without consequences we have a problem. Cripps, TDK, McGovern, Charlie and H are all lucky to be serious injury free. They all copped lower back hits or tunneling from players not even facing the footy, it's a miracle Charlie isn't an ACL or broken ankle today.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL 2023 Preliminary Final Carlton vs Brisbane Post Game Prognostications

Reply #63 –
Lions have had five finals series in a row this is Dane Zorkos first GF at age 34.

They were desperate and hungry to get over the line. Other than Melbourne this is the hardest game to win in the 2023 season.

Top two is the only solution to avoid these fixtures. We were completely smashed in clearances and stoppages.
 

Re: AFL 2023 Preliminary Final Carlton vs Brisbane Post Game Prognostications

Reply #64 –
To become a true premiership contender we will need to improve the structure/movement of our forwards and particularly how the ball is delivered into the forward 50 m area. Long high kicks into the area are a gift for backs to set up and defender against. 

No wonder Charlie C. had a bad finals series given the way we were delivering the ball.  
With a less cluttered up forward line, Charlie and co may even get some effective leads in!  :)  :)

We also would benefit from another mid size marking straight kicking forward, imo.  

cheers Ab 

Re: AFL 2023 Preliminary Final Carlton vs Brisbane Post Game Prognostications

Reply #65 –
Just a couple of takeaways from Voss's press conference....not necessarily things he emphasised, but impressions I gained

A lot of supporters are naturally disappointed this morning, but happy and satisfied with how far we've come given the position we were in.
That satisfaction can't be the same for the player.
They can't be satisfied with the effort...it has to make them hurt and want more.
Naturally they'll be hurting and disappointed but that  level of hurt has to really burn, otherwise we could see another sluggish start to the year.

Secondly our age profile... check out the ages

https://www.draftguru.com.au/lists/2023/carlton

Some of our very good players are surprisingly young....many under 24, and many locked away for a few years at least.
It's hard to be too critical of a player when he's only 19-22 with years of development left in him
Silvagni talked about building a list for sustained success.
He got the ball rolling, but it was a bit of a roller coaster ride, now though....
That's what we have.

Re: AFL 2023 Preliminary Final Carlton vs Brisbane Post Game Prognostications

Reply #66 –
So many terrific summaries here, so many good reads.

2023 achievements:
One of the best ever VFL/AFL mid-season turnarounds.
Relevant and a bona fide flag contender again - bravo CFC.
Winning culture and palpable 'spirit.'

To take the next step:
Mindful that our 2024 draw will be harder.
Mids to forwards connections/delivery in heat must improve, again.
Forward line must kick higher scores against top opposition.
Finish h/a season top 4.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL 2023 Preliminary Final Carlton vs Brisbane Post Game Prognostications

Reply #67 –
Quote from: Adelaideblue – on
To become a true premiership contender we will need to improve the structure/movement of our forwards and particularly how the ball is delivered into the forward 50 m area. Long high kicks into the area are a gift for backs to set up and defender against. 

No wonder Charlie C. had a bad finals series given the way we were delivering the ball.  
With a less cluttered up forward line, Charlie and co may even get some effective leads in!  :)  :)

We also would benefit from another mid size marking straight kicking forward, imo.  

cheers Ab 
I would like to add in a class small forward who pressures and  kicks goals. We are slightly  below par here imo. Not sure what we have will improve.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: AFL 2023 Preliminary Final Carlton vs Brisbane Post Game Prognostications

Reply #68 –
Quote from: cookie2 – on
I would like to add in a class small forward who pressures and  kicks goals. We are slightly  below par here imo. Not sure what we have will improve.

Maybe, but...
Motlop is only 19
I'd back him to be some sort of player by the time he's 22

Re: AFL 2023 Preliminary Final Carlton vs Brisbane Post Game Prognostications

Reply #70 –
Quote from: cookie2 – on
I would like to add in a class small forward who pressures and  kicks goals. We are slightly  below par here imo. Not sure what we have will improve.
Motlop lacks the blistering speed that we associate with dominant small forwards but IIRC he has shown he can be a player - more so than Eddie Betts, who developed into a top player but who was gifted quite a few games in his early career.

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Reply #71 –
I really hope you guys are right about Motlop. If he got near being Eddie B quality I'd be rapt!
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: AFL 2023 Preliminary Final Carlton vs Brisbane Post Game Prognostications

Reply #72 –
I like Motlop, he has improved and as I keep saying that run in the twos where he spent time further up the ground in a midfield role helped his game.
He isnt that definitive crumbing type small though and that's what I think Cookie wants..

Re: AFL 2023 Preliminary Final Carlton vs Brisbane Post Game Prognostications

Reply #73 –
Quote from: RiverRat – on
Motlop lacks the blistering speed that we associate with dominant small forwards but IIRC he has shown he can be a player - more so than Eddie Betts, who developed into a top player but who was gifted quite a few games in his early career.

100%. Motlop, Kemp, Boyd, Dekoning, Hollands are all looking very good for their age and im comfortable we have a capable  young group that once they get a few more seasons under their belt will improve us further.

On the year as a whole, Charlie for whatever reason couldn't play to his high standard in any of the 3 finals. No doubt all our finals opposition coaches put a hell of a lot of work into stopping him and maybe we just thought he would replicate his H/A form. Hopefully Charlie and our forward coaches learn from this and are better equipped when it comes around next year.

Considering how bagged up we were to key players i was happy to just win the first final but to get into a Prelim and play away where they haven't lost all year this group can be proud and will get some invaluable lessons playing so deep into a final series which 'should' propel us further and faster then we would have if we were outed in the elimination final.

Be proud fellow blues, finally we have a team ready and believing and will be in the flag window IMO for the next 5-6 years. Exciting times ahead.
 

Re: AFL 2023 Preliminary Final Carlton vs Brisbane Post Game Prognostications

Reply #74 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
I like Motlop, he has improved and as I keep saying that run in the twos where he spent time further up the ground in a midfield role helped his game.
He isnt that definitive crumbing type small though and that's what I think Cookie wants..

He kicked 24 goals from 20 games this year. At the same age in 2006 Betts kicked 20 goals from 21 games.

Eddie's break out year was 2009 when he kicked 38 goals.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!