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Reply #15 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
It's like playing golf with one club in the bag. We've got a one wood and nothing else.

Yeah, but most golfers will counter with something here to do with repetition and practise.

We have a 1 wood.  Its actually a good performer.

We are no good at the other stuff (we are kicking more and handballing less) and are saying its not our go.  So do you persist trying to play a different way to get better at it, or do you go back to your one wood?

Obviously its not a zero sum game, but our players have been at this exact juncture before.  We sacked a coach because the game plan was too complicated, and the wins weren't coming.  You know, a lot of people point to Mitchell and the Hawks, but about this time last year, he was copping it regarding the way they were playing, losing, and how he might not see out the season.  Fast forward 14 games, and it was a different equation.

Thing is, we aren't actually that bad.  We were 5 mins away from a win against the Doggies.  Against Richmond had we not executed poorly at critical times we actually should have won (we cost 5 goals from just sheer keystone cops moments and fumbles, missed handballs and poor execution.

The Hawthorn game, TDK, and JSOS missed gimme shots from inside 50 when the game was on the balance. Instead of being a couple of goals up, we end up a couple of goals down after two 12 point turnarounds from missed set shots inside 50.  If we were copping hidings, and losing by 100 points, id say fair enough.

Against Collingwood, that 3rd quarter was diabolical, but the rest of the match was at worst an arm wrestle.  They dialled it up, we couldnt go with. 

This isnt a one single issue, its a few.  We can change the coach, the pressure release will come, and the boys will get back on track, but the benefit in doing so isnt there IMHO.  It will just be groundhog day, see another cleanout of senior talent, when we need to hold the line and make some tweaks so that we can find more ways to win.


"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Interesting Reading

Reply #16 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
Yep, I suspect our window peaked 2023
Thats what I tend to think but we won't know until the season is over. The trajectory suggests it's a write off, but we know how footy goes these days. Haw were 0-5 last year and finished off being the form team of the comp.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

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Reply #17 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
I doubt any of the current 18 teams have the depth of talent of that great Geelong era. Even the Hawks, who are flying now, have their fair share of role players.
Haw wil be tested without one player, Day.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

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Reply #18 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
Quote from: Professer E – on
Been a lot of people saying just this on the site

Yep. Simply put - too stubborn. Even fixated on the one game day application and plan. This is where you'd hope that those around him would encourage flexibility, understanding the modern game, your players and their strengths (and playing them to those strengths), understanding nuance and plans b, c and d.

I really do worry for Vossy and his tenure. A stoic and relentless adherence to a single mode of play might be good in some applications, but not the modern AFL game - you see teams altering and tweaking game plans in games and week to week now. Who'd have thought a Ross Lyon coached side would be hitting the scoreboard more? Strategy flexibility and those adept at this seem to be prerequisites for the modern game. But two things don't change - on-field leadership and a high level of discipline.
What's the alternative game style, outside run and gun? You need leg speed and footskills for that, two things we dont have.
I saw a snippet from Daniel Hoyne on TDK. As impactful on games as he has been winning the footy/contest, he butchers the footy by foot and it goes straight back into the oppo fwd line. I think he said he rates as the 4th worst ruckman. So even the players we may well consider A grade or elite have deficiencies delivering the footy.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

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Reply #19 –
A couple points on the article.

1. Hindsight is 20-20. At the time, were those Cats players hall of famers? No. Did they become hall of famers? Yes.
On the flip side....
Walsh, TDK, Hollands (x2) Jagga.....whoever, may all become those players (or equivalents) by the time their career ends.
At the same stage what was cripps? He was still the fat kid who broke his leg. If the article was written 6 years ago, nobody in their wildest dreams would think Charlie and Cripps wouldn't have come close to the heights they have acheived since.
So maybe we do have a quality group on our books right now.
Only time will tell.

2. Were the same conversations being had about our playing list and coach 2 years ago before we went on our run to be leading a prelim by 5 goals?

Form is temporary.
Class is permanent.

Since that prelim i reckon we've averaged, AVERAGED, a dozen players unavailable every week. Thats a tough hill to climb over and compete.
This is not the 'dark days of the Pagan era' we are in. We are a million times better than that with where we are.
Thats not to say we haven't made some mistakes in plenty of areas of building a football club.
But its fixable.

The only difference that can be guaranteed as fact in that article is we know what happened to Geelong from here.
Our destiny is still in our hands.

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Reply #20 –
Which is why we should be holding the line for 3 years.  When weiters, Charlie, Harry and jsos are near the end, we'll have a clearer picture of how many holes need filling.  For now, we have a few holes but we have players that could fill those gaps.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson
 

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Reply #21 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Haw will be tested without one player, Day.

Yes, they are looking very good now, but we know from history that it's rare to look a million bucks for too long. There's too many variables that can impact results : larger variables like injury, loss of form / momentum, right through to small things like umpiring decisions etc. It's one reason why I'm not giving up on our season just yet.

I'll be interested to see how they cover the loss of Will Day.