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Re: Rd 5 : BLUES Defeated Dogs (Finally Final Siren Elation)

Reply #135
I'm elated with the win, gents.
But we can't delude ourselves. We have major weaknesses.

Despite what some on here keep saying, if you are being fair dinkum and prepared to take off the blinkered biased glasses, then you have to acknowledge that Rowe isn't up to it. He panics, he fumbles, he lacks the ability to stick a tackle etc. etc. Watson is no better, and White lacks a football brain. I have seen him go to punch the ball out of bounds at least 4 times in the last three games, when he could have taken an uncontested mark. In fact he went the punch in the last quarter against the dogs, and the ball flew straight up in the air, and it came down into his hands for a clear mark which the umpire didn't pay.

Instead of going the punch, he could have marked the thing to begin with. But he lacks confidence in his own ability to mark the ball, and panics.

I understand that at this point in time, it would seem that we have no one else to replace them, but frankly, leaving our defence in their hands will kill us and has killed us against the top teams.

They nearly cost us the game on Sunday. If the dogs player kicks through the ball and goals instead of doing a Garlett and dribbling the ball through for a point, we are in real trouble.

The only way we are going to win games is, and this is stating the obvious, to do what we did yesterday and establish a big enough lead to compensate for Rowe and Whites  lack of defensive skills.

I'm hoping Everitt can find a place there, and Docherty can overcome his issues and come into the side, and that may give us a better defence that can withstand counter attacks from the opposition.

Until then, it's going to be heart in mouth stuff every game.


Agree....great win character wise and seeing Curnow come back  after beeing wrapped around the goalpost made us all proud bt the Bulldogs are not very good and their key defenders were
terrible.

re: White...degree of difficulty vs Crameri is high...he is a very awkward player as he is mobile but is also very strongly built, lucky he is an indifferent kick and tends to kick the hard ones
but miss the gimme's.
To be fair to Rowe he probably made one glaring error where he kicked the ball quickly without looking but he did spoil Jones mots times and also threw his weight around.
He is a big unit at 198cm to be playin KP and few of the Bulldogs smalls ended up on the deck after he made contact with them.....Jamison isnt big enough to take the really tall forwards, either is White and
as we saw we need Henderson forward.

Cale Hooker was a laughing stock at Essendon for years especially famous for his fruitless chase on Buddy Franklin in one game but now is a reliable defender.......I think Rowe will hold his place ahead of Watson as the former at least lays body on his man and gets physical...Watson doesnt have any body on body skills and cant defend, Rowe at least plays with some effort and intensity.
For those who want him out of the team I reckon you will be dissapointed as the alternatives  are few and I think we have to hope he improves.

Re: Rd 5 : BLUES Defeated Dogs (Finally Final Siren Elation)

Reply #136
@EB1

Agree about Rowe. Will never be a superstar by a long way but could become a reasonably solid, unspectacular, reasonable player who will fill a gap for us for a couple of years.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: Rd 5 : BLUES Defeated Dogs (Finally Final Siren Elation)

Reply #137
@EB1

Agree about Rowe. Will never be a superstar by a long way but could become a reasonably solid, unspectacular, reasonable player who will fill a gap for us for a couple of years.

rowe is used like that collingwood swing man (name escapes...agressive tall bloke from north and fremantle) ..rowe hit the packs hard and hit a few blokes...better than jamison and watson can ever do.....

Re: Rd 5 : BLUES Defeated Dogs (Finally Final Siren Elation)

Reply #138
@EB1

Agree about Rowe. Will never be a superstar by a long way but could become a reasonably solid, unspectacular, reasonable player who will fill a gap for us for a couple of years.

rowe is used like that collingwood swing man (name escapes...agressive tall bloke from north and fremantle) ..rowe hit the packs hard and hit a few blokes...better than jamison and watson can ever do.....

Leigh Brown.
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Re: Rd 5 : BLUES Defeated Dogs (Finally Final Siren Elation)

Reply #139
Rowe is a deceptively big unit too - 198cm, 96kg.

A better prospect than White imo. noting both have had serious health issues to deal with.....
Finals, then 4 in a row!

 

Re: Rd 5 : BLUES Defeated Dogs (Finally Final Siren Elation)

Reply #140
Rowe is a deceptively big unit too - 198cm, 96kg.

A better prospect than White imo. noting both have had serious health issues to deal with.....

We need to make Rowe an dangerous defender. Our spine will be easier to build if we have a group of defenders that are reliable and physical. He is probably our best option of keeping Henderson up forward to give us some structure on the attack. Watson is not proven as a defender just yet. Might not ever get there either. Lets hope over time, that I am completely wrong.
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Re: Rd 5 : BLUES Defeated Dogs (Finally Final Siren Elation)

Reply #141
Rowe is a deceptively big unit too - 198cm, 96kg.

A better prospect than White imo. noting both have had serious health issues to deal with.....

We need to make Rowe an dangerous defender. Our spine will be easier to build if we have a group of defenders that are reliable and physical. He is probably our best option of keeping Henderson up forward to give us some structure on the attack. Watson is not proven as a defender just yet. Might not ever get there either. Lets hope over time, that I am completely wrong.
Problem with Rowe and Watson is they are both slow.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: Rd 5 : BLUES Defeated Dogs (Finally Final Siren Elation)

Reply #142
Brettie, I'm glad that there were people on this forum like yourself cluey enough to understand what I was trying to get across... if Carlton's leadership is so non-existent, why did we beat the dogs minus our spiritual head and down rotations?

Is a "captain" the "leader of the side"  or "face of the club"?

I believe that "leadership" is more a collective issue that all need to take command of, and less a burden that should be heaped upon one individual.  And no, I am not on any high horse because I didn't back and still don't back Murphy as "captain".  I still believe that the role, titular or otherwise, should be handed to somebody else and he be told to concentrate on being the best player he can be. 

Behind closed doors I would have thought that the amount of contested ball and tackles he laid would be highlighted - and how there is leadership in performance, not just barking instructions as people.

What irritated me into the wording of the post was some plunkers in the small paper banging on about leadership, and how Cotchin got kudos for responding to the MaCaffer tag with a BOG performance... yet Murphy still copped flack, even though yet to play that round and not having the "right of reply" so to speak.  So in a fair world the small paper should be writing some nice things about Murphy in Monday's paper...because to be honest, the small paper was front of the queue to sink the boots in, they should at least mention an honourable response to adversity.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: Rd 5 : BLUES Defeated Dogs (Finally Final Siren Elation)

Reply #143
Rowe is a deceptively big unit too - 198cm, 96kg.

A better prospect than White imo. noting both have had serious health issues to deal with.....

We need to make Rowe an dangerous defender. Our spine will be easier to build if we have a group of defenders that are reliable and physical. He is probably our best option of keeping Henderson up forward to give us some structure on the attack. Watson is not proven as a defender just yet. Might not ever get there either. Lets hope over time, that I am completely wrong.
Problem with Rowe and Watson is they are both slow.

Yes, but it's horses for courses - clearly you don't play Rowe on a Nick Riewoldt run around CHF - that gig goes to Walker/Everitt/Waite.....

You play him on your Chris Dawes types.

Jack Darling listed at 191cm, 93kg. Who takes him?

Everitt - 194cm, 88kg; Walks - 190cm, 88kg.

Josh Kennedy?  196cm, 101kg..... Giles + Everitt/Rowe. Tough match up.
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: Rd 5 : BLUES Defeated Dogs (Finally Final Siren Elation)

Reply #144
If we had Kennedy and Darling we would have 65% of our list issues covered. ;D

I do agree with your point regarding horses for courses.
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Re: Rd 5 : BLUES Defeated Dogs (Finally Final Siren Elation)

Reply #145
Any idea why Buckley was a late withdrawal?  Injury or "team balance"?
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: Rd 5 : BLUES Defeated Dogs (Finally Final Siren Elation)

Reply #146
Winning is a good feeling but is anyone else wondering why our team will only put in the required effort when given the license to run and taking the game on?

Effort shouldn't be conditional on having the game on your terms.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Rd 5 : BLUES Defeated Dogs (Finally Final Siren Elation)

Reply #147
Did make me giggle :

"The Other Teams Can Rot In Hell"

Re: Rd 5 : BLUES Defeated Dogs (Finally Final Siren Elation)

Reply #148
Loved seeing cripps push crameri and get in his face.

Flying the flag in game 2 at 19 yo. Make no mistake this kid is going to be a leader of this club.

I tell ya what though, the next target Cripps hits by foot will be his first..... 8)

I agree - don't get the amount of love on here for cripps.

I know his a young solidly built very tall mid that seems to show he has some balls for a 2nd gamer but to me his skills are well below standard and looks snail paced off the mark, has no tank ane very little on the defensive side. Only player 2 games I know but my point is his games is miles off yet he is talked up like he is certain to star and a great draft pick.

Too many on here look at the weight, height and amount of animal a player has rather then actually ability with the pill - you need to get the footy and use it well to make an impression.

Buckley really impressed me and his half the statue of cripps.  Cripps need time but so far IMO has show very little to suggest he is a future leader and a star in the making like many on here are suggesting.

Menzel and Buckley are big chances to make it I reckon from what I've seen.

Re: Rd 5 : BLUES Defeated Dogs (Finally Final Siren Elation)

Reply #149
Loved seeing cripps push crameri and get in his face.

Flying the flag in game 2 at 19 yo. Make no mistake this kid is going to be a leader of this club.

I tell ya what though, the next target Cripps hits by foot will be his first..... 8)

I agree - don't get the amount of love on here for cripps.

I know his a young solidly built very tall mid that seems to show he has some balls for a 2nd gamer but to me his skills are well below standard and looks snail paced off the mark, has no tank ane very little on the defensive side. Only player 2 games I know but my point is his games is miles off yet he is talked up like he is certain to star and a great draft pick.

Too many on here look at the weight, height and amount of animal a player has rather then actually ability with the pill - you need to get the footy and use it well to make an impression.

Buckley really impressed me and his half the statue of cripps.  Cripps need time but so far IMO has show very little to suggest he is a future leader and a star in the making like many on here are suggesting.

Menzel and Buckley are big chances to make it I reckon from what I've seen.

In his last game for the NB'S he racked up 35 touches and turned the game, which we won. Layed tackles and goaled..

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