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Re: Round 14 - Giants defeat Blues - after match summary

Reply #45 –
Quote from: MosquitoFleet – on
Quote from: ItsOurTime – on
Another loss to a bottom 4 side. Drums should be beating

Thats what I say, but Kruddler thinks its all fine...

Lets all have a drink  :P :P :P

No, i think you are trolling.

Woody gets it...
Quote from: Woodstock – on
Jesus. I do not blame MM for this. Players either have heart or they don't. Two things became clear. The old guard need to leave/traded/retire to allow MM and the young ones to set a new culture.  If Judd stays another year after that effort from his team mates I would be amazed. They should not offer him a new contract and focus on life without him.

Re: Round 14 - Giants defeat Blues - after match summary

Reply #46 –
The sack Malthouse crew are just sucked into the magic bullet remedy that's been in vogue at Carlton since our last Premiership.
There is no magic bullet and no coach will will turn things around in five minutes as if by miracle, in fact sacking Malthouse now would only confirm that we are a basket case with no plan, no clue and no way forward.
The only thing in this world worth more than a hill of beans is the Carlton Football Club.

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Reply #47 –
Quote from: crashlander – on
We did it again: an 'honourable loss', but a loss all the same against a team we should be pounding. Even Richmond pounded them.
My last post on the in game thread was, that flatters us. it was a long way from being an honorable loss.

Re: Round 14 - Giants defeat Blues - after match summary

Reply #48 –
Quote from: Dominator_7 – on
Those who are calling for MM's head, who would be a good replacement ? Its not as if there's a Roos, Lyon or a Clarkson uncontracted and ready to be poached...

That Bolton guy seems To go alright.

It's about the direction of the footy club. Such a Carlton way. Get someone successful
Instead of building our own.
"We are a club in a hurry"

#united #reset

Re: Round 14 - Giants defeat Blues - after match summary

Reply #49 –
Quote from: Lappinlappystick – on
Quote from: blue4life – on
It's got nothing to do with Malthouse, our skills by hand and foot are deplorable and it's been that way for more than 10 years.
It's at the point now that when one of our players is clear with time to balance up you expect the ball to be turned over, you also expect slow, high handballs, foot passes at bootlaces or on top of the forwards' heads, fumbles under pressure, poor decisions and second guessing, all of which are symptoms of players who just aren't good enough.
There are about 6 or 7 players in our team with reliable foot skills and the rest are hit and miss, mostly miss.
Malthouse can't fix it in a year or two.

How do you explain Roos' impact at Melbourne then? He's stopped the absolute beatings they used to cop, made them tougher to score against, and now they have more belief in winning games. All in half a season!

Has done a poor mans Freo and made it a ugly game of rolling contests, low scoring bore fests...sure it has stopped the beatings but that footy wont win a premiership.

Re: Round 14 - Giants defeat Blues - after match summary

Reply #50 –
Quote from: Lappinlappystick – on

How do you explain Roos' impact at Melbourne then? He's stopped the absolute beatings they used to cop, made them tougher to score against, and now they have more belief in winning games. All in half a season!

We're not getting belted either, the only hiding we've copped was Essendon.
We're three players short, hopefully Kreuzer is good to go next season, Cripps comes through and Buckley keeps improving, and it would be handy if Garlett started playing some good football again.
Things can turn around fairly quickly.
The only thing in this world worth more than a hill of beans is the Carlton Football Club.

Re: Round 14 - Giants defeat Blues - after match summary

Reply #51 –
Quote from: shadesy – on
Quote from: Dominator_7 – on
Those who are calling for MM's head, who would be a good replacement ? Its not as if there's a Roos, Lyon or a Clarkson uncontracted and ready to be poached...

That Bolton guy seems To go alright.

It's about the direction of the footy club. Such a Carlton way. Get someone successful
Instead of building our own.

Alan Joyce went alright for one year....you and me could coach Hawthorn.....

Re: Round 14 - Giants defeat Blues - after match summary

Reply #52 –
Haven't seen the game but from reports on here nothing much has changed in the month I've been away. Whoever is going to coach our club is going to need plenty of new players that have the skills and heart required for AFL success - we sure as hell have not currently got anywhere near enough it seems.
 :(
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: Round 14 - Giants defeat Blues - after match summary

Reply #53 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Quote from: shadesy – on
Quote from: Dominator_7 – on
Those who are calling for MM's head, who would be a good replacement ? Its not as if there's a Roos, Lyon or a Clarkson uncontracted and ready to be poached...

That Bolton guy seems To go alright.

It's about the direction of the footy club. Such a Carlton way. Get someone successful
Instead of building our own.

Alan Joyce went alright for one year....you and me could coach Hawthorn.....

A team like hawthorn obviously rated him enough to put him in that position.

Heaven forbid we think outside the Carlton bubble.

You and me could have coached the Eagles in the early 90's yet Malthouse is lauded for his record.
"We are a club in a hurry"

#united #reset

Re: Round 14 - Giants defeat Blues - after match summary

Reply #54 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Yes. I suggested it a few days ago in the prematch thread and posted it again today at the start of the game when Murphy was pulled out.

Look, I understand the thinking, but is Micks statement that he was wasn't happy with the team or the leadehip effort, genuine?.

We lost by a kick and a half.

Cutting it close if he wanted to lose.
You can fool some of the people some of the time.......................................

Re: Round 14 - Giants defeat Blues - after match summary

Reply #55 –
Quote from: blue4life – on
The sack Malthouse crew are just sucked into the magic bullet remedy that's been in vogue at Carlton since our last Premiership.
There is no magic bullet and no coach will will turn things around in five minutes as if by miracle, in fact sacking Malthouse now would only confirm that we are a basket case with no plan, no clue and no way forward.

That's probably true but it shouldn't stop folk questioning the wisdom of appointing Malthouse in the first place.  Unless he pulls the pin, he'll be our coach until the end of 2015.  Some other bunny will then be brought in to try to make us competitive.

As for turning things around, Ken Hinckley has done a pretty good job with the Port Adelaide basket case.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball
 

Re: Round 14 - Giants defeat Blues - after match summary

Reply #56 –
People can go on about Malthouse as much as they like but the truth is we've got way too many sub-standard footballers playing in our team with plenty more waiting in the wings. Turned off the radio at 3/4 time knowing full well we weren't going anywhere. Just hoping for a couple of flukes now against the filth and the scum and honestly we could do it. That's how erratic we are.

Re: Round 14 - Giants defeat Blues - after match summary

Reply #57 –
Quote from: Lappinlappystick – on
Quote from: blue4life – on
It's got nothing to do with Malthouse, our skills by hand and foot are deplorable and it's been that way for more than 10 years.
It's at the point now that when one of our players is clear with time to balance up you expect the ball to be turned over, you also expect slow, high handballs, foot passes at bootlaces or on top of the forwards' heads, fumbles under pressure, poor decisions and second guessing, all of which are symptoms of players who just aren't good enough.
There are about 6 or 7 players in our team with reliable foot skills and the rest are hit and miss, mostly miss.
Malthouse can't fix it in a year or two.

How do you explain Roos' impact at Melbourne then? He's stopped the absolute beatings they used to cop, made them tougher to score against, and now they have more belief in winning games. All in half a season!

How many older disinterested players are there at Melbourne?
Who is the leader at Melbourne, Nathan Jones. He sets the example, the kids are starting to follow.

Mick is pulling the players in the right area, showing that we can be competitive against the big bad sides, but we fall over against the crap sides.

Is 'the gameplan' to blame for that? I don't think so.
Its the players ability to switch on and pull their finger out.
Nobody looked interested today. After running the cats and the hawks close the last 2 weeks, they just expected to go through the motions and win. Mick would never expect that, but the players do. How can Mick change that?

Change the players.
Change the culture.

Previous 'hacks' like White and Rowe are not just getting a game under Mick, but they are flourishing. Why is that? They do the small things, the team things. They cannot fall back on past glories to justify their existance, they have none. They have to play every game like it could be their last, because it could. Daisy has copped a lot of criticism because of his pay packet, but he plays the same way...and that is a rarity amongst our list, at least consistency of it is.

Waite, Mr Inconsistency. Can't blame Mick for his ups and downs as he's had them from Pagan to Ratten and now to Malthouse. When players like him are shown the door, we will be better off.
Unfortunately, our record of recruiting/developing people to take over from him has been abysmal.

Re: Round 14 - Giants defeat Blues - after match summary

Reply #58 –
Quote from: shadesy – on
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Quote from: shadesy – on
Quote from: Dominator_7 – on
Those who are calling for MM's head, who would be a good replacement ? Its not as if there's a Roos, Lyon or a Clarkson uncontracted and ready to be poached...

That Bolton guy seems To go alright.

It's about the direction of the footy club. Such a Carlton way. Get someone successful
Instead of building our own.

Alan Joyce went alright for one year....you and me could coach Hawthorn.....

A team like hawthorn obviously rated him enough to put him in that position.

Heaven forbid we think outside the Carlton bubble.

You and me could have coached the Eagles in the early 90's yet Malthouse is lauded for his record.

Malthouse sent Collingwood to the bottom before he could raise them...they stuck fat with him and rebuilt...do you think Mick will get that same luxury with us?

Re: Round 14 - Giants defeat Blues - after match summary

Reply #59 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Quote from: Lappinlappystick – on
Quote from: blue4life – on
It's got nothing to do with Malthouse, our skills by hand and foot are deplorable and it's been that way for more than 10 years.
It's at the point now that when one of our players is clear with time to balance up you expect the ball to be turned over, you also expect slow, high handballs, foot passes at bootlaces or on top of the forwards' heads, fumbles under pressure, poor decisions and second guessing, all of which are symptoms of players who just aren't good enough.
There are about 6 or 7 players in our team with reliable foot skills and the rest are hit and miss, mostly miss.
Malthouse can't fix it in a year or two.

How do you explain Roos' impact at Melbourne then? He's stopped the absolute beatings they used to cop, made them tougher to score against, and now they have more belief in winning games. All in half a season!

Has done a poor mans Freo and made it a ugly game of rolling contests, low scoring bore fests...sure it has stopped the beatings but that footy wont win a premiership.

That's true, but the reason he's done this is to build self confidence and  self belief in the players, in which case you'd have to say he's done very well thus far. Of course they won't beat Hawks, Freo, Port etc. but at this point in time, that's not the objective. I reckon the Dees players go into every game now believing they can either win, or give it a real crack. A stark contrast to recent past seasons.