Ziebell, Martin and Gibbs August 25, 2014, 10:34:52 pm North has found success with throwing Ziebell forward at various times and backing him one on one with an opponent, with reasonable success. Likewise Richmond with Martin.Could we look at mixing our forward line around at times by doing the same thing with Gibbs. He's strong one on one, clean overhead and has a good goal sense.We need to think outside the square more often! Quote Selected
Re: Ziebell, Martin and Gibbs Reply #1 – August 25, 2014, 10:58:47 pm Quote from: townsendcalling – on August 25, 2014, 10:34:52 pmNorth has found success with throwing Ziebell forward at various times and backing him one on one with an opponent, with reasonable success. Likewise Richmond with Martin.Could we look at mixing our forward line around at times by doing the same thing with Gibbs. He's strong one on one, clean overhead and has a good goal sense.We need to think outside the square more often!Always been a fan of rotating Gibbs forward but with our midfield in decline we are forced to play him onball more often.....Gibbs is more like Deledio when he plays forward and leads well and makes good position. Ziebell is a good contested mark and Martin of course is mr Dont argue and like a Bull when its one on one and impossible to stop.Tom Bell has been the one Mick has tried forward looking for the dont argue style to kick some goals...its worked once to good effect but generally our delivery and Bell's noushasnt made it work often enough.You need that variety though and the mid who can mark the footy and get one on one near the goals is a feature of the game now...Nat FYfe is another who plays onball but is super dangerous when going forwardwith his marking ability.... Quote Selected
Re: Ziebell, Martin and Gibbs Reply #2 – August 25, 2014, 11:27:46 pm Quote from: townsendcalling – on August 25, 2014, 10:34:52 pmNorth has found success with throwing Ziebell forward at various times and backing him one on one with an opponent, with reasonable success. Likewise Richmond with Martin.Could we look at mixing our forward line around at times by doing the same thing with Gibbs. He's strong one on one, clean overhead and has a good goal sense.We need to think outside the square more often!I think most including MM would agree with you, yet it is purely necessity that has dictated Gibbsy's role to date rather than idealism. We need blokes like Bell, Buckley, Cripps, Docherty even Walker and Everitt to excel in their roles consistently. Gibbs shifting through the midfield as a forward flanker is "All Australian." Quote Selected
Re: Ziebell, Martin and Gibbs Reply #3 – August 26, 2014, 06:30:17 am I think Gibbs is fairly weak overhead personally.Just on Martin, to think we could have picked him up for 600k instead of Daisy, still young with his career ahead of him. Quote Selected
Re: Ziebell, Martin and Gibbs Reply #4 – August 26, 2014, 08:13:28 am The horse has bolted and spilt the milk Carrots. Quote Selected
Re: Ziebell, Martin and Gibbs Reply #5 – August 26, 2014, 08:19:01 am Yep. What a steal that would've been though! Quote Selected
Re: Ziebell, Martin and Gibbs Reply #6 – August 26, 2014, 08:40:08 am Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on August 26, 2014, 08:19:01 amYep. What a steal that would've been though! Yes, it would have been nice.I'm still p*ssed at myself for not pushing him as a draft choice when he was bottom aged: he'd won the Pio's B & F and looked reasonable. I know I don't have any say with WH or any other recruiter, but if I'd made enough noise I could have ....Spilt milk and in my own back yard. If I keep that up I'll start believing I can actually influence our recruiting. What an insane thought. Quote Selected
Re: Ziebell, Martin and Gibbs Reply #7 – August 26, 2014, 03:05:09 pm Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on August 26, 2014, 06:30:17 amI think Gibbs is fairly weak overhead personally.Just on Martin, to think we could have picked him up for 600k instead of Daisy, still young with his career ahead of him.What would you have been willing to trade for him? Given Daisy didn't require a trade. Quote Selected
Re: Ziebell, Martin and Gibbs Reply #8 – August 26, 2014, 03:11:42 pm Quote from: emtwenty – on August 26, 2014, 03:05:09 pmQuote from: PassIt2Carrots – on August 26, 2014, 06:30:17 amI think Gibbs is fairly weak overhead personally.Just on Martin, to think we could have picked him up for 600k instead of Daisy, still young with his career ahead of him.What would you have been willing to trade for him? Given Daisy didn't require a trade.The first rounder we got for Betts? That we gave up for Daisy? If not enough then throw in Hampson. So no Docherty I guess. Quote Selected
Re: Ziebell, Martin and Gibbs Reply #9 – August 26, 2014, 03:13:21 pm Quote from: crashlander – on August 26, 2014, 08:40:08 amQuote from: PassIt2Carrots – on August 26, 2014, 08:19:01 amYep. What a steal that would've been though! Yes, it would have been nice.I'm still p*ssed at myself for not pushing him as a draft choice when he was bottom aged: he'd won the Pio's B & F and looked reasonable. I know I don't have any say with WH or any other recruiter, but if I'd made enough noise I could have ....Spilt milk and in my own back yard. If I keep that up I'll start believing I can actually influence our recruiting. What an insane thought. Stranger things have happened Crash!! If you go back to the Thomas thread I called it.....Martin for 600k>>>>>Daisy. Of course back then I thought we'd only need 600k for Daisy. Quote Selected
Re: Ziebell, Martin and Gibbs Reply #10 – August 26, 2014, 03:14:18 pm In hindsight emtwenty, would you now take Martin over Daisy? Quote Selected
Re: Ziebell, Martin and Gibbs Reply #11 – August 26, 2014, 03:16:32 pm Another thing to ponder emtwenty, no one wanted him so with a 4 year 600k deal bounty put on him, we may have got him free in the PSD. Now that is the kind of shrewd operating that's required to be a successful club. In that scenario we lose Betts but gain Martin and keep two first rounders! I can guarantee if you that was the case, all in here would be laughing at Daisy and his form, not sticking up for him. Quote Selected Last Edit: August 26, 2014, 03:18:39 pm by PassIt2Carrots
Re: Ziebell, Martin and Gibbs Reply #12 – August 26, 2014, 06:54:08 pm Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on August 26, 2014, 03:11:42 pmQuote from: emtwenty – on August 26, 2014, 03:05:09 pmQuote from: PassIt2Carrots – on August 26, 2014, 06:30:17 amI think Gibbs is fairly weak overhead personally.Just on Martin, to think we could have picked him up for 600k instead of Daisy, still young with his career ahead of him.What would you have been willing to trade for him? Given Daisy didn't require a trade.The first rounder we got for Betts? That we gave up for Daisy? If not enough then throw in Hampson. So no Docherty I guess.We were never getting a first rounder for Betts. We would've got what St Kilda got for Dal Santo. And that would never have got Richmond to give us Martin. If you were Richmond would you have traded Martin for a pick in the 20s? I doubt it. Quote Selected Last Edit: August 26, 2014, 06:56:28 pm by emtwenty
Re: Ziebell, Martin and Gibbs Reply #13 – August 26, 2014, 06:54:54 pm Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on August 26, 2014, 03:14:18 pmIn hindsight emtwenty, would you now take Martin over Daisy?It wasn't a choice. One was a free agent. The other was a trade. It was never a case of one of the other. Quote Selected
Re: Ziebell, Martin and Gibbs Reply #14 – August 26, 2014, 08:11:09 pm On the Gibbs thing. Ratten played him off half back, we screamed for him to play midfield. Now he plays midfield we think maybe he should play forward. OP is right, he could be a half decent forward, but we only have one of him.On Daisy I'm keeping my powder dry until I see him do a full pre season. I think from the clubs point of view he has exceeded expectations this year. Quote Selected