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Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??

Reply #1050 –
Pat Cummins ready to go after 1 shield game in 7 years........please.

James Pattinson ruled himself out of being picked as he just wants to play some consistent local cricket.....shame Pat doesn't have the same attitude...or at least the people "managing" him anyway.
Life is pain....... anyone who says differently is selling something.

Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??

Reply #1051 –
Quote from: LP – on
The ICC are spineless, they need to whack the Indian team with penalties for the behaviour of BCCI officials.

FWIW, I've never understood why the ICC, given it stumps up for match officials by the dozen(bus loads of them), can't have a small crew of international curators that arrive at test venues a few weeks before a game and oversee the preparation of the pitch.

The thing is with Indian business culture, there would be a local curator deadset ready to join such a panel for profit and backstab his compatriots, their whole free market system is built on doing the dirty! The only thing you would need to do is make sure he doesn't end up on the take from a Indian bookmaker.

Why bother, just give the away team the choice of whether to bat first or second, in every test, all over the world.

Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??

Reply #1052 –
Quote from: JonHenry – on
Why bother, just give the away team the choice of whether to bat first or second, in every test, all over the world.

I know that eliminating the toss has been proposed before, but there are skills in captaining and managing game tactics that give the toss a special place in the sport. If you eliminate the toss you are taking away many of those aspects of the sport. The other concern raised at that suggestion is that it would eventually led to very vanilla drawn tests as the most common result.

All the game really needs is reasonable wickets, it's clear to me the BCCI is focused on winning over the general governance of the game, and that in my opinion is a Indian cultural thing. Dealing in India I have found the outcome takes priority over the means, even if the outcome requires some questionable dealings.

For example, like China, in Indian business if you can avoid paying an invoice regardless of your relationship with the supplier you will be lauded as a good business person. The person or company they rip off is foolish, in their eyes you must expect that if an opportunity is available to cheat or shortcut it will be taken. I suspect this is why they have resisted DRS for so long, it's basically anti-Indian in their eyes. The real problem for "Western" societies comes after being burnt, the Indians will come back to you next time and expect the relationship to continue like nothing ever happened. This is a little different from the Chinese that won't show their "face" after doing the dirty. Westerners take offense at being "ripped off" and hold an everlasting grudge.

In India it's like they did you a favor by showing you how they can avoid paying! They were smarter than you, you will know better next time!

If you put all this in the context of a sport, the rules, the media statements, you can easily understand how they can look at a video replay and claim it's not showing the truth, or that the pitch is fine.

We are shocked about the pitches, they expect them to be that way.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??

Reply #1053 –
This might be hypocritical coming from me, but you might want to leave the racial stereotyping out of a cricket thread. In fact, just leave it out full stop.

Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??

Reply #1054 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
This might be hypocritical coming from me, but you might want to leave the racial stereotyping out of a cricket thread. In fact, just leave it out full stop.

Racism and stereotyping has nothing to do with it, I've seen the very same initial reaction from others being taught how to trade in India. They almost cannot accept that is the way things are, but how conflicted they must be when it's an Indian teaching them.

If that is the common business culture it's the business culture, and in India cricket is a business.

You can even attend corporate training sessions, some of which are operated by expatriate Indian and Chinese business people, that will take you through the reason why it is the way it is in those two cultures.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??

Reply #1055 –
Unfortunately Paul, it's far too close to the truth for comfort... I've been burned so many times by people of Indian background I've given up doing business with them.  The barefaced lies they come up with are shameful, the only way I could get my head around it is that it is part of their culture and that's the way it is.  They burn you and then come back as if they are your best mate and get offended when you point out their transgressions and that don't trust them.

DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??

Reply #1056 –
Pass.

Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??

Reply #1058 –
We won the toss!  Great start

Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??

Reply #1059 –
This pitch will be running along the ground by Day 3.

Australia need to make quick Day 1 runs and plenty of them, but they must also bat well into Day 2.

A target of 150 might be out of reach Day 4 or 5.

Warner out, off a full toss! ...............  JonHenry where are you?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??

Reply #1060 –
Quote from: LP – on
This pitch will be running along the ground by Day 3.

Australia need to make quick Day 1 runs and plenty of them, but they must also bat well into Day 2.

A target of 150 might be out of reach Day 4 or 5.

Warner out, off a full toss! ...............  Jon Henry where are you?

I'm here and he is a d!ck.
He needs a kick in the A5s

Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??

Reply #1061 –
Warner has certainly not come to terms with the conditions. That is a great disappointment, as he has handled just about everywhere else.

But a lot f our players lose concentration and get themselves out too easily. The Marsh brothers were the kings of that tactic. The Big Show tends to do the same: get an attack at his mercy and then get out.
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Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??

Reply #1062 –
Perhaps we are just too reserved on the sub-continent, our guys often look like they crack after a period of trying to play conservatively.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??

Reply #1063 –
Quote from: LP – on
Perhaps we are just too reserved on the sub-continent, our guys often look like they crack after a period of trying to play conservatively.

I think you need technique and then you have to have a plan. Renshaw seems to have coped pretty well and he is 20.

Marsh got out defending a ball missing his leg stump.
Warner got out bowled last test, in the first innings, stepping away to leg for a ball that pitched a mile outside leg.

You have to play a lot smarter when the conditions are against you.

Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??

Reply #1064 –
Wasn't Sean Marsh supposed to be a sub continent specialist?

Should be filed next to his brother in the " never to play for Australia again" file.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?