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Re: Adam Goodes,unhappy Australian of the Year

Reply #30 –
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Bernard Gaynor is an ignorant racist butthole!

The Aboriginal population of what is now Victoria was somewhere between 25,000 and 50,000 in the early 1800s.  Fifty years after European settlement, Victoria's Aboriginal population had been reduced to less than 1,000 people.  That may not be genocide but it's bloody close.

Schoolchildren aren't taught anything about that side of our colonial history.

I was, I was taught that it was disease that killed them.

Yes LR, disease played a part but it was also the excuse used by squatters to explain the sudden disappearance of Aboriginal people from their runs.  Victoria's first European settlers came from Tasmania and were experienced participants in the Black War.

Did you learn about the Coniston Massacre in the NT?  It was the last known massacre and between 60 and 100 Aboriginal men, women and children were slaughtered.  It happened in 1928!
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: Adam Goodes,unhappy Australian of the Year

Reply #31 –
If you set yourself up as a critic of past practices and attitudes you find that there will be a certain group you will alienate very quickly. That's not saying it's wrong, or that you shouldn't do it but it's just what happens.

Indigenous history is very complicated
Written records are scarce on the native side of things.
History was passed down through word of mouth and as we must accept, in some retelling, things may be forgotten or are influenced by the teller.
Just as the written "Eurpoean" viewpoint is slanted and biased by the tellers of those tales.

Discussion and investigation is important, it should be encouraged...but there are a couple of barriers that seem to exist in this respect.

The more obvious one is the indigenous side of things where for a long time they've struggled for recognition of key elements in the European/ Indigenous relationship/history. Many folk are still  un-accepting or lacking knowledge of the injustices wrought on Aboriginal Australians.

The less obvious one is the aspect mentioned earlier by Professor E
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Problem with this discussion is that if you don't have an opinion that meshes with the politically correct one, you're labelled a rascist/misogynist etc.  This stifles any meaningful debate and reduces the possibility of action that will make any meaningful difference.


People often don't feel comfortable about discussing issues because they feel they will be labelled and looked at a certain way.

I'll give you an example, It's one I don't talk much about for the very reason mentioned above.

In the 1970's I worked for the NSW Department of Community services. I worked in a receiving/ remand centre for potential State Wards. We accepted kids who, for various reasons, mostly abuse and neglect were taken from their families. We were a stop off point while families were either worked with for the return of their children or the children were committed to State care and "institutionalised". Aboriginal children were disproportinately represented but we also catered for a good number of anglo and other ethnic groups. In effect I was a part of the ''system'' at the tail end of what has become known as the Stolen Generation..... but it was a "generation" that included not just Aboriginal children.
There is no doubt in my mind that there were many children who were taken from family situations that shouldn't have been.There were other situations that could have been better managed. In a lot of cases these kids would have been better staying with their families if support could have been provided....but resources were thin and the required level of support was not possible. That lack of resources for  community child welfare remains a problem even to this day. Sadly in some cases these children fell victim to institutional abuse from the very people delegated with the responsibility for caring for them. That's something we should all be "Sorry" about
But...and here's the point I find difficult to state for fear of retribution and condemnation......I firmly believe there are kids who are alive today because they were removed from a family situation so terrible that you couldn't imagine.

So ask me about the Stolen Generation and you'll get a pretty mixed (up) message.


Re: Adam Goodes,unhappy Australian of the Year

Reply #32 –
Good post Lods.

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I firmly believe there are kids who are alive today because they were removed from a family situation so terrible that you couldn't imagine..

I know quite a few Stolen Gens folk who would agree with you.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: Adam Goodes,unhappy Australian of the Year

Reply #33 –
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Because of the stand he's made against racism....and then people think he stages for free kicks so they say hey if you're going to make such a stand against racism and stage for frees you should get booed when in reality the two are so far apart in importance it's just not funny. It's just an excuse to boo him and what he stands for, anyone with half a brain can see that. And the people booing will say they're not being racist and it just highlights the ignorance in society today and the typical VB culture at the footy. People will laugh and applaud Jake King for going into the crowd and skulling a beer but criticise Goodes for standing up for his people.

The only fans I've heard boo him are Hawthorn fans and that's because of a couple of kicking and sliding incidents from a couple of years ago. We've certainly never booed him. (except for maybe the standard shot at goal boo.)
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: Adam Goodes,unhappy Australian of the Year

Reply #34 –
Pretty sure Pies fans were booing him.
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

Re: Adam Goodes,unhappy Australian of the Year

Reply #35 –
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Pretty sure Pies fans were booing him.

They haven't played Collingwood in Melbourne since the King Kong controversy. Don't get me wrong there are racist fans out there but Goodes wasn't booed in the GF because he is black like some media and Sydney fans tried to insinuate. Ironic the same Sydney fans crying racism for the booing of Goodes used to boo Buddy.

 
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: Adam Goodes,unhappy Australian of the Year

Reply #36 –
Pretty sure I remember him being booed in games other than Hawks games.

Re the Hawks have they been booing him for a while or since Warnie had a crack on twitter?
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

Re: Adam Goodes,unhappy Australian of the Year

Reply #37 –
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Pretty sure I remember him being booed in games other than Hawks games.

Re the Hawks have they been booing him for a while or since Warnie had a crack on twitter?

Since this incident which was a year after beings suspended for tripping Guerrera.

[flash=600,400]http://www.youtube.com/v/KyD_0gN1kC0[/flash]
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: Adam Goodes,unhappy Australian of the Year

Reply #38 –
I can't remember the Guerra incident, was that the time Goodes was lying on the ground and stuck his boot out at the passing player, or was it a sliding in tackle incident?


Caroline Wilson has written quite long editorial piece on the Goodes situation, it's all about racism apparently and I'm sure the BBC socialists making the mentioned documentary will take that angle very strongly.

I wonder if Caro is a shareholder in the production!

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/adam-goodes-controversy-a-sorry-affair-for-football-20180420-p4zapq.html

Staging and events like those above are hardly mentioned!

I still remember the day they showed video highlights of Goodes staging for free kicks, and he flatly denied staging despite one of the clips clearly showing that he threw himself on the ground after an air-swing at him by an opponent!

It was a very sad end to a champions career, but that is what money does in the end, too many of past champions cling on hoping for one more pay packet!

You know I'm not a fan of JTurd, so this one sticks with me because I hate CheatsFC so much!



A Dawks supporting mate sent me this image as well.



No wonder the Dawks hated him!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"