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I hate the fact that we have to vote for one party and then cop the fact that we might have to accept broken promises.

I also hate the fact that a vote for Labor would mean that we have to accept them tearing up EW link. 

The Liberals lost this vote in one place.  The perceived effect of closing higher educational institutions that were required for the lower socio economic groups of society.  Higher education which Im confident not many Liberal voters would have agreed with.

At the end of the day, we are probably better off having cyclical turns at government anyway.  It keeps things balanced.  Too much of one thing is never a good thing.  The Liberals ruled the roost in Victoria for a fair whack of time back in the 90's and we have only had few terms of Labor since, so I think the party that we need in now won.

@EB1

Perhaps, but often these things are a political argument and less of an issue than they are made out to be.

I have seen hospitals close beds and wards based on agenda not about saving costs.  They could cut costs in other places first, it just becomes less of a political argument that way.

Working in public sector health, I think the focus needs to be shifted to doing better with what they have, rather than giving them more.  I have seen too much money wasted on initiatives that are reactive in order to be seen to doing something rather than focussing on actually achieving something.

Its true that the Liberals effectively treated the people with contempt.  A government that believes that the people should swallow what they want is doomed to be voted out.  Hence why Abbot is dead man walking.

Andrew Robb suggested on the Insiders on Sunday that the libs knew they were going to be defeated for quite a while, why the hell did they sign the EW contracts when labor told them to hold off until after the election, absolute bloody disgrace and unbelievably deceitful, treating the public like lower class imbeciles, Napthine and his plebs are a disgrace

Quote from: Thryleon – on December 01, 2014, 10:51:31 am

@EB1

Perhaps, but often these things are a political argument and less of an issue than they are made out to be.

I have seen hospitals close beds and wards based on agenda not about saving costs.  They could cut costs in other places first, it just becomes less of a political argument that way.

Working in public sector health, I think the focus needs to be shifted to doing better with what they have, rather than giving them more.  I have seen too much money wasted on initiatives that are reactive in order to be seen to doing something rather than focussing on actually achieving something.

Its true that the Liberals effectively treated the people with contempt.  A government that believes that the people should swallow what they want is doomed to be voted out.  Hence why Abbot is dead man walking.

My daughter is a  nurse at one of the major hospitals and people lives are at risk due to the poor patient ratio's and lack of funding........Nurses are cracking up on the job, doing drugs etc due to the poor conditions
and being abused by management. You have imported nurses from overseas who are cheap/useless and prepared to cop these poor standards while the local properly qualified nurses have to run around and make
the system work.....until they either quit or breakdown...Hospitals just cover up the mistakes and patients are suffering and even passing away due to lack of attention being paid to the health system.
Agree that Abbott is gone but i would expect after Labour's win in Victoria he will start spending and trying to buy some votes....

Yep, the Liberal Party is the High IQ party.  Its contribution to the debate on climate change has been impressive.  You also have to admire the fantastic linguistic ability applied to the task of proving that a lie isn't a lie, although only the top 1 percentile of the population can see the beauty of those arguments or the many other rhetorical flourishes.

Quote from: Mav – on December 01, 2014, 08:50:33 am

Yep, the Liberal Party is the High IQ party.  Its contribution to the debate on climate change has been impressive.  You also have to admire the fantastic linguistic ability applied to the task of proving that a lie isn't a lie, although only the top 1 percentile of the population can see the beauty of those arguments or the many other rhetorical flourishes.

Nice response... 

I have no particular political allegiances, a true swinging voter, and I think this gov. has badly screwed up. However, the thought of Shorten and his mates taking over truly scares me. I think he is toxic and stands for nothing but his own ambition.

I have no particular political allegiances, a true swinging voter, and I think this gov. has badly screwed up. However, the thought of Shorten and his mates taking over truly scares me. I think he is toxic and stands for nothing but his own ambition.

Quote from: cookie2 – on December 01, 2014, 01:14:15 pm

I have no particular political allegiances, a true swinging voter, and I think this gov. has badly screwed up. However, the thought of Shorten and his mates taking over truly scares me. I think he is toxic and stands for nothing but his own ambition.

I'm a Labour man ...