Superfooty Rates the Forward Line Depth

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Reply #15 – February 18, 2015, 07:37:01 pm

Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on February 18, 2015, 01:26:52 pm

I agree Wood showed way more, he actually takes a few marks around the ground. Warnock is useless.

Warnock is clearly a better player than Wood, who was languishing in the Reserves after being discarded unceremoniously from the AFL system. If you're looking to Wood, god help us.

Warnock can have an influence - just needs some consistency and strength through the shoulders/arms for marking.

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Reply #16 – February 18, 2015, 07:43:44 pm

Quote from: JonDorotich – on February 18, 2015, 07:33:48 pm

Surely we'll see Jones kick the ton this year given his athleticism, super human strength, pace and all round Carey-like prowess in the pre-season?

That's a given.

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Reply #17 – February 18, 2015, 07:49:55 pm

Quote from: JonDorotich – on February 18, 2015, 07:37:01 pm

Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on February 18, 2015, 01:26:52 pm
I agree Wood showed way more, he actually takes a few marks around the ground. Warnock is useless.

Warnock is clearly a better player than Wood, who was languishing in the Reserves after being discarded unceremoniously from the AFL system. If you're looking to Wood, god help us.

Warnock can have an influence - just needs some consistency and strength through the shoulders/arms for marking.

Yes, he's needed the same thing his whole career!

But seriously, Wood is a more complete player, Warnock is a one trick pony and it's not even a great trick.

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Reply #18 – February 18, 2015, 08:05:08 pm

Jones, Henderson, Casboult along with Menzel, and 2 other small forwards could work. Levi will be spending almost half his time in the ruck, so we won't be too top heavy. If only we still had Betts we would be dangerous when on fire. Not the most dangerous forward 50, but still something that can work if the mids look for leading targets. Not just bombing the ball to the square all the time. If Levi is on his own in a one on one contest, then that is a different matter.

Need more goals from our mids and Yarran, 2E types.

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Reply #19 – February 18, 2015, 08:58:49 pm

Quote from: JonDorotich – on February 18, 2015, 07:37:01 pm

Warnock is clearly a better player than Wood, who was languishing in the Reserves after being discarded unceremoniously from the AFL system. If you're looking to Wood, god help us.

Warnock can have an influence - just needs some consistency and strength through the shoulders/arms for marking.

Giving him shoulders and strength won't help because he has no heart or courage! He is 206cm tall and in my opinion he hears footsteps, he should be scaring people not be scared of them.

Being likable and well liked won't make you an AFL footballer, they need to cut him loose!

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Reply #20 – February 19, 2015, 08:37:36 am

Quote from: LP – on February 18, 2015, 01:59:12 pm

Last season we had an effective forward line, functionally and statistically it worked.

This year the list and options look even better, so no need to go any deeper into it than that!

Depends which Carlton comes out. First half of last year (ie. No Judd) we were struggling with bottom 4 sides.

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Reply #21 – February 19, 2015, 10:28:20 am

Quote from: ItsOurTime – on February 19, 2015, 08:37:36 am

Depends which Carlton comes out. First half of last year (ie. No Judd) we were struggling with bottom 4 sides.

That seems subjective, it's not supported by the numbers.

After 11 games, ~85 for and ~97 against
After 22 games, ~85 for and ~96 against

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Reply #22 – February 19, 2015, 10:30:26 am

But did we have a tougher draw in the second half of the season LP? I seem to recall we played some great games against a few top sides. Obviously the Port Adelaide game being the really poor showing.

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Reply #23 – February 19, 2015, 10:43:44 am

Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on February 19, 2015, 10:30:26 am

But did we have a tougher draw in the second half of the season LP? I seem to recall we played some great games against a few top sides. Obviously the Port Adelaide game being the really poor showing.

We lost to Port twice, in Rnd 1 and Rnd 22.

I think the who played who when is also a bit subjective, I am not sure how to separate being smashed by Hawthorn and Port from losing to Melbourne and GWS?

For me averages over eleven games is enough to make "Who played who when" almost irrelevant, the "Who played who when" can become an excuse. I know it is a hard line, but I am comfortable with it!

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Reply #24 – February 19, 2015, 11:34:54 am

Quote from: LP – on February 19, 2015, 10:28:20 am

Quote from: ItsOurTime – on February 19, 2015, 08:37:36 am
Depends which Carlton comes out. First half of last year (ie. No Judd) we were struggling with bottom 4 sides.

That seems subjective, it's not supported by the numbers.

After 11 games, ~85 for and ~97 against
After 22 games, ~85 for and ~96 against

You're right. Half is way too generous... Last quarter of the season.

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Reply #25 – February 19, 2015, 01:47:32 pm

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on February 18, 2015, 01:21:23 pm

Menzel isnt a understudy and needs to be a main event...talent wise he is A grade and 30 goals a season should be his minimum target..

Thomas needs to kick 20 plus as well...dont expect him to be the Daisy of old running around the ground picking up 30 possies a game but I do expect him to convert more opportunities and be a threat down forward....

Jones, Casboult and Henderson looks top heavy to me if we play them all together down forward every week.....Walker might provide that smaller third tall to give us some balance vs different opponents...

I reckon Bell (187cm/98kg), Walker (190), Everitt (194) and Cripps (193) all have a role to play up forward as taller marking targets that are more flexible and mobile to provide a point of difference for us.

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Reply #26 – February 19, 2015, 01:53:01 pm

Quote from: Pratty – on February 19, 2015, 01:47:32 pm

I reckon Bell (187cm/98kg), Walker (190), Everitt (194) and Cripps (193) all have a role to play up forward as taller marking targets that are more flexible and mobile to provide a point of difference for us.

Is 1AW even training at the moment?

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Reply #27 – February 19, 2015, 02:04:59 pm

Everitt especially I'd like to see play forward, he performed well there in the last preseason.

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Reply #28 – February 19, 2015, 02:24:34 pm

Quote from: madbluboy – on February 18, 2015, 12:34:55 pm

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/superfooty-rates-the-depth-of-every-afl-clubs-forward-line/story-fni5f22o-1227223832135

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CARLTON

Headliners:

None

Support cast:

Lachie Henderson

Dale Thomas

Levi Casboult

Tom Bell

Liam Jones

Jason Tutt

Understudies:

Troy Menzel

Blaine Johnson

Extras:

David Ellard

Dennis Armfield

Verdict: Need Menzel and Casboult to up the ante and Henderson to work on his consistency to be any chance of kicking winning scores in 2015. Thomas is going as well as ever by all reports while new surrounds could kick enigmatic former Bulldog Jones into gear. In short, the Blues need a lot to go right.

An interesting assessment and probably a bit more realistic than their assessment of our midfield. However, as others have already mentioned, there are some distinct questions:
[1] What part do our resting rucks play in our forward line?
In the past Warnock has played little up forward, as he is not a hugely strong mark and doesn't play the position that well. However, Wood is a different kettle of fish and he can take a strong mark and kick a decent goal. I wouldn't be surprised to see him spending some time up forward.
Casboult is slated as a key forward, spending short spells in the ruck. His kicking issues are well known. However, we also have the option of playing Jones, an considerable underperformer as yet, but one with the assets to make our forward line much more interesting. He will probably also give Wood some rest time.
These 3 guys are going to give other teams more worry (on paper).
[2] Menzel as an understudy?
Something of a surprise, considering he basically took over the role to replace Eddie and showed a bit. However, I hope they are implying that they expect him to improve significantly over the next couple of seasons. One of our issues is that Menzel now has to replace Eddie and Garlett. Others may help. but these 2 little guys have been the backbone of our scoring for some years.
[3] Dale Thomas:
I expect to see him in a number of different roles this year. Last year he played mostly forward: I would be very surprised to see it repeated. Mind yu I do expect to see his goal kicking improve.
[4] Andrew Walker:
I also recall mention of Walker spending more time forward, as we see Tuohy and Sheehan mature, Everitt to play a whole season, etc. This allows Walker to be something he is good at: a mix and match type. Mind you, his form forward in recent times has not been impressive, he hasn't held his marks and his kicking for goal positively excremental (a real disappointment compared to how he kicked for goal a few years back. He had the best record of any forward that year for accuracy and he often had good depth on his kicks. Last year his kicking for goal, when he had the chance, was almost as poor and unreliable as Dale Thomas', without the excuse of injury).
[5] Mids resting:
As others have noted, we have an interesting bunch of players this season who are taller than many of their direct opponents; Bell, Walker, Everitt and Cripps to mention a few. Everitt showed a number of times last year than he can move forward and take some good marks and kick some nice goals. Cripps showed he has good body work and a strong pair of hands. These guys may be goal kickers on a semi-regular basis. None of them have shown the ability to do this consistently, it has been more of a shock tactic, but, like McLean did, they can be a lot more than nuisance value in our scoring.
There are also Murphy and Judd, both of whom can kick goals given the opportunities. Neither have done much in recent years, but the opportunity to play forwards has rarely occurred. With Judd nearing the end, we need to have his successor(s) having midfield time already. Hopefully that allows him more scope for scoring.

To be honest, our scoring power is questionable: we haven't had the key forwards for a while and have lost Fevola, Waite, Betts and Garlett in recent years without having a direct replacement for any of them. We have also lost Kreuzer again and the flexibility he adds to our structure. But there should not be all doom and gloom: our actual forward structure appears much better and we appear to have a lot more guys who are flexible enough to do a job. I will be very interested to see how our forward line functions this year.

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Reply #29 – February 19, 2015, 02:36:16 pm

Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on February 19, 2015, 02:04:59 pm

Everitt especially I'd like to see play forward, he performed well there in the last preseason.

In his own words:

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My role is as a utility player. I don’t see myself as a permanent anything, more a wingman who can drop back, or go forward, There’s not many 194cm wingers going around and it can be an advantage for me in terms of versatility.

I reckon the assessment of our forward line is pretty well spot on and we will need significant improvement, luck with avoiding injuries, and the planets to align if our forwards are going to kick winning scores in at least half of our games.