NAB Challenge Rd #3: Carlton vs. Geelong

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Re: NAB Challenge Rd #3: Carlton vs. Geelong

Reply #75 – March 22, 2015, 10:42:59 pm

EB.. Cockatoo's run through the middle today was Yarranesque. They've found one there. I did wonder though if Shadesy knew something about attitude or a serious flaw in Clem's game that would have clubs baulk at him through to 66. Today's commentators were suggesting we had a win by him getting through to our pick at 66.

Re: NAB Challenge Rd #3: Carlton vs. Geelong

Reply #76 – March 22, 2015, 10:57:18 pm

Quote from: Juddkreuzer – on March 22, 2015, 10:42:59 pm

EB.. Cockatoo's run through the middle today was Yarranesque. They've found one there. I did wonder though if Shadesy knew something about attitude or a serious flaw in Clem's game that would have clubs baulk at him through to 66. Today's commentators were suggesting we had a win by him getting through to our pick at 66.

yarran will eat cockatoo ...just wait...

Re: NAB Challenge Rd #3: Carlton vs. Geelong

Reply #77 – March 22, 2015, 11:20:26 pm

Smith, 9 touches with 38% game time, that's super sub material. Only question is does he have the fitness to play out a whole game if there is an injury in the 1st qtr?

Cripps is coming along very nicely, 2 nice marks up forward too !!

Boeky was very quiet, doubtful for rnd 1 now.

Murph looked rusty, Juddy struggles to kick 50m now.

We missed Simmo and Yarrans run out of the back half.

KJ wasn't great but gained some good experience and will be better for it. 100% DE

Byrne, does some nice things, still think a bit more experience back in the NB's wouldn't hurt him.

I got the feeling the coaching staff were not playing for the win, their focus was else where.

I'm very confident of a win looking forward to Richmond in 11 days time.

Go Blues !!

Re: NAB Challenge Rd #3: Carlton vs. Geelong

Reply #78 – March 23, 2015, 12:02:42 am

Bell was carltons best player.....a seriously developing player

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Reply #79 – March 23, 2015, 12:26:27 am

Quote from: MosquitoFleet – on March 23, 2015, 12:02:42 am

Bell was carltons best player.....a seriously developing player

He's showing leadership qualities. Not that Murph has anything to worry about, but he is showing a quality to get amongst it when we need to dig deep.

Re: NAB Challenge Rd #3: Carlton vs. Geelong

Reply #80 – March 23, 2015, 06:18:57 am

The flaw with Clem as that he was unfit and overweight was it not?

Re: NAB Challenge Rd #3: Carlton vs. Geelong

Reply #81 – March 23, 2015, 09:39:13 am

Quote from: MosquitoFleet – on March 23, 2015, 12:02:42 am

Bell was carltons best player.....a seriously developing player

Played with good effort especially when we were well behind on the scoreboard and he won the ball well when contesting...still butchers the ball though and has that habit of running into trouble trying to barge his way through traffic rather than giving the ball off....you look at Guthrie, Caddy and Duncan and they are more sophisticated players.
I dont expect Bell to be ever the smooth operator but he needs to give the ball off to players who are.....

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Reply #82 – March 23, 2015, 09:49:56 am

I cant think of another mid who runs into as many dead ends as Bell.

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Reply #83 – March 23, 2015, 10:18:49 am

Bell looks like the sort of player who has been bigger than his opponents for the whole of his life and is used to breaking tackles at will, now can't adjust to the fact that he can't ragdoll opponents at will.
He reminds me of Robinson in that he has immense desire and heart, but is dumb, doesn't read the play as well as his opponents and has poor disposal.
At the moment I feel he is getting games on potential, if he doesn't wise up this year, he may well be gone.

Watching the game on TV I wasn't convinced that our forwards were doing enough in terms of leads and trying to create space. Anyone at the game care to comment on that?

Re: NAB Challenge Rd #3: Carlton vs. Geelong

Reply #84 – March 23, 2015, 10:22:32 am

Quote from: deags – on March 23, 2015, 10:18:49 am

Bell looks like the sort of player who has been bigger than his opponents for the whole of his life and is used to breaking tackles at will, now can't adjust to the fact that he can't ragdoll opponents at will.
He reminds me of Robinson in that he has immense desire and heart, but is dumb, doesn't read the play as well as his opponents and has poor disposal.
At the moment I feel he is getting games on potential, if he doesn't wise up this year, he may well be gone.

Watching the game on TV I wasn't convinced that our forwards were doing enough in terms of leads and trying to create space. Anyone at the game care to comment on that?

I think Bell just lacks agility, he turns like the titanic. He gets games because he is incredibly powerful and has great endurance, which means you have to match him up with an above average player. Fev had quite a bit to say about him on the radio, thinks he needs SOS teaching him how to use his body better.

For that matter, Fev is hoping SOS gets hold of Jones, Rowe and Menzel as well, because it was SOS that taught Fev about body use and reading the drop of the ball.

The weekend forward setup was very different to what we will see Rnd 1, my neighbors chicken coop displays more organisation!

Re: NAB Challenge Rd #3: Carlton vs. Geelong

Reply #85 – March 23, 2015, 10:27:39 am

Quote from: deags – on March 23, 2015, 10:18:49 am

Bell looks like the sort of player who has been bigger than his opponents for the whole of his life and is used to breaking tackles at will, now can't adjust to the fact that he can't ragdoll opponents at will.
He reminds me of Robinson in that he has immense desire and heart, but is dumb, doesn't read the play as well as his opponents and has poor disposal.
At the moment I feel he is getting games on potential, if he doesn't wise up this year, he may well be gone.

Watching the game on TV I wasn't convinced that our forwards were doing enough in terms of leads and trying to create space. Anyone at the game care to comment on that?

Agree....Jones, Henderson and Rowe didnt move around enough , delivery was poor but i remember fev would make poor delivery look by better by working hard
to get to the footy. Jones just wants to take speccy's over the back, Rowe was ok in the 2nd quarter when he did move up the ground more and Henderson is lacking confidence.

Spot on about Bell too....at 96kg playing vs smaller schoolkids he would have looked like the hulk and been able to get away with smashing his way through packs etc but not vs men
who are as big and know how to tackle....never seen him sell a dummy or sidestep players...

Re: NAB Challenge Rd #3: Carlton vs. Geelong

Reply #86 – March 23, 2015, 12:00:49 pm

Quote from: Juddkreuzer – on March 22, 2015, 09:33:53 pm

Quote from: shadesy – on March 22, 2015, 09:18:18 pm
There is a reason Smith dropped to 66.

Just disposal mate. He was touted as top 20 in talent, but his kicking is very average. what i've heard, he has the right work ethic and attitude to succeed, but his disposal saw him drop substantially with the emphasis now on minimizing turnovers.

Having said that, I have absolutely No problem picking him at 66. His talent and desire is eveident for all to see, if they can work and work on his kicking, 66 is worth the gamble. Better than a T\emay or Tiller around that pick.

Re: NAB Challenge Rd #3: Carlton vs. Geelong

Reply #87 – March 23, 2015, 12:02:19 pm

Quote from: cimm1979 – on March 23, 2015, 09:49:56 am

I cant think of another mid who runs into as many dead ends as Bell.

He twice ran towards the Boundary... onto his left foot. Frustrating as he is becoming a good ball winning midfielder.

Quote from: deags – on March 23, 2015, 10:18:49 am

Watching the game on TV I wasn't convinced that our forwards were doing enough in terms of leads and trying to create space. Anyone at the game care to comment on that?

I can only comment on the Eagles game, but Watson and Jones idea of movement was head backwards to the goal square and stick a hand up. No desire to lead, push around and lead again. something Waite was very good at. Compare that in the same game to Josh Kennedy who was on the move constantly, and kicked 4 goals in tough conditions.

Re: NAB Challenge Rd #3: Carlton vs. Geelong

Reply #88 – March 23, 2015, 12:21:07 pm

Quote from: deags – on March 23, 2015, 10:18:49 am

Watching the game on TV I wasn't convinced that our forwards were doing enough in terms of leads and trying to create space. Anyone at the game care to comment on that?

This is what I meant in an earlier post sort of. Watch Tommahawk go about it, he pushes off and leads and gets space or separation. Ours were always in a contest (the bit of the game that I watched). Also, listening to SEN commentary on the game, they had Fev as special comments. Before the game, they talked about Levis kicking. He said he wishes they would offer him a job so that he could teach Levi how to kick (Please God make this happen). Also talked about the impact SOS had on him about teaching how to read the ball drops and leading. SOS? Give em a hand will ya!

Re: NAB Challenge Rd #3: Carlton vs. Geelong

Reply #89 – March 23, 2015, 12:22:55 pm

Have watched all NAB challenge games and from what I have seen the following wont make our best 22.

Watson-- Gone at seasons end.

Tutt-- Ordinary player. Don't know why we bothered.

Jones- MMM. Top up player at most. Will probably get a gig Rd1 but can easily see him playing a lot of footy for NB

Boekhurst- Am geting the feeling that this won't work out well. Could we have blown yet another Rd1 pick??