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I think you have the wrong definition of soft!

Tom Harley's another example.

So our solution to balance this equation is to get rid of Robbo, knowing we had already lost Duigan!

It's mis-management, it is not Murphy or Gibbs problem!

I'm not pointing the finger at you, but there are posters on here who would have required Craig Bradley to be a battering ram!

ie soft....probably I mean less vocal, not able to step in and sort out other players when they are intimidating your teammates etc..
It wasnt  a slight at Murphys ability to put his head over the footy or win the footy in contests.....the facts are he is a little bloke with a baby face and
he has trouble asserting himself when rough stuff starts..
Not saying you have to be a thug and Murphy is capable of inspiring with his acts on the field but if you look at Luke Hodge .he is the complete package...can inspire with his footy skills but can also assert himself when needed and look after his teammates..

Not saying you have to be a thug and Murphy is capable of inspiring with his acts on the field but if you look at Luke Hodge .he is the complete package...can inspire with his footy skills but can also assert himself when needed and look after his teammates..

True, but there are few Hodges and he was well and truly in the shizen with reports, behavior issues, etc., etc., before the Mitchell era bought him time to settle after Vandenberg's departure! In an interview I recall him discussing the possibility he thought he might get the lemon-sars from Hawthorn at one stage, after some dispute with the Prez, coach or CEO, it was never in the press though! He credited Vandenberg, who at that stage had retired but was still mentoring, for setting him right!

Would we have axed him at Carlton? For sure it would have been front page!

People are judging Marc Murphy when he is clearly not fit, the same thing happened last season and by the end he was standing up as well as anybody even having endure that Hodge dog act! This is a kid who had his jaw wired and only missed one round, had multiple games ranking over 140 points(About eight 30 possession games!)

I'll put it another way....forgetting about ability, I think if Hodge had been in our team for rnd1 and rnd 2 we would have knocked over Richmond and only lost to WC by
 a couple of goals. I take your point about Murphy being injured but it would be fair to say Hodge has carried injuries for a lot of his career and still got the job done.
I would prefer a more robust captain and let Murphy get on with playing footy and winning us games with his skills...I dont think he can do both jobs...

ie soft....probably I mean less vocal, not able to step in and sort out other players when they are intimidating your teammates etc..
It wasnt  a slight at Murphys ability to put his head over the footy or win the footy in contests.....the facts are he is a little bloke with a baby face and
he has trouble asserting himself when rough stuff starts..
Not saying you have to be a thug and Murphy is capable of inspiring with his acts on the field but if you look at Luke Hodge .he is the complete package...can inspire with his footy skills but can also assert himself when needed and look after his teammates..

I accept that is the case but I am not sure you need that type of player to be the captain, but I agree whole heartedly that you need that type of player in your team!

A captain needs brains, communication skills, poise, what Hodge offers and what many good footballers offer doesn't normally come in the one package!

The question I would ask is this, if we had Hodge type players on our list could Murphy pull them into line, could he do a Vandenberg, I think leading by example is not enough.

Having said that, Garlett and Robinson's fate has surely sent a message, we may never know how much the leadership group had to do with it!

Does a leader need to be feared, by his own side as well as opponents?

Who the hell was scared of Garlett?
Long bow?.

And as for Malthouse, why don't we just go down the pub on a friday night and pick up the last bloke standing and whack a (coach) next to his name.