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Re: 2015 AFL Season - Rnd 2 West Coast vs Carlton

Reply #30 – April 04, 2015, 03:19:07 pm

Let's give Jones a few games to find his feet before we bury him. Not really the best game to make judgements. Let's be honest , the players we lost from just last year , Waite , Robbo, Garlett , we haven't picked up anyone to "take" there spots

Re: 2015 AFL Season - Rnd 2 West Coast vs Carlton

Reply #31 – April 04, 2015, 03:21:34 pm

Quote from: DJC – on April 04, 2015, 03:05:31 pm

Jones took one mark for the entire game and that is simply not good enough for a key forward whose marking is supposed to be his strength. He didn't lead or make position but seemed to follow Henderson around. Even if the delivery was poor, and I believe poor positioning by the forwards contributed to that, he should have at least marked one or two kick ins. In contrast, Riewoldt had 8 marks and Griffiths got 6.

The other issue with Jones is that he is just a forward and that unbalanced the side with Rowe being forced to go into the ruck. In fact, in his short time in the forward line, Rowe was more competitive and a better target than Jones.

If Jones could play to his potential, he would be a champion. Sadly, I don't think that will happen.

He was on target for 176 for 2015 at qtr time...lol,

Re: 2015 AFL Season - Rnd 2 West Coast vs Carlton

Reply #32 – April 04, 2015, 03:37:49 pm

Quote from: Robblues – on April 04, 2015, 03:19:07 pm

Let's give Jones a few games to find his feet before we bury him. Not really the best game to make judgements. Let's be honest , the players we lost from just last year , Waite , Robbo, Garlett , we haven't picked up anyone to "take" there spots

Add Betts to that list too

We really are relying on fringe players, both from other clubs and our draftees/rookies, to develop into A and B graders.

I'm not against Jones getting a couple of games to show whether he is up to it but we must have back up for Wood (or Warnock) in the ruck. Whoever that is can't spend the rest of the game in a key defensive post.

Re: 2015 AFL Season - Rnd 2 West Coast vs Carlton

Reply #33 – April 04, 2015, 03:42:35 pm

Totally agree , maybe they were thinking we will have a team of swing men? Yes Betts as well, there's most of our previous forward line. Think we might end up regretting aiming for a team of boy scouts , instead a team of footballers

Re: 2015 AFL Season - Rnd 2 West Coast vs Carlton

Reply #34 – April 04, 2015, 09:36:50 pm

Natanui is smashing Minson, doesn't bode well for us!

Re: 2015 AFL Season - Rnd 2 West Coast vs Carlton

Reply #35 – April 04, 2015, 10:01:57 pm

Quote from: LP – on April 04, 2015, 09:36:50 pm

Natanui is smashing Minson, doesn't bode well for us!

Not at all. Natanui is the X Factor in the WC list. If he starts to produce, then their midfield becomes a lot more powerful. he has so much unfulfilled potential that it is frightening.

Re: 2015 AFL Season - Rnd 2 West Coast vs Carlton

Reply #36 – April 05, 2015, 09:45:30 am

Out: Daisy 4-6, Jaksch (ribs,2) , (Yarran

? knee)

In: Tutt (speed, goal sense), Casboult (simply have to, balance) , (Is Walker fit yet? or Whiley/Dick/Bryne [why not])

We trusted Rowe on some big reputations last year, he has JK; Nic Nat is the main concern, maybe huge left field could be White, he seems to be our serial pest, gets under their skin; stick with Curnow on Pridis but sub him in the third for Smith to take over (no one would expect that!!)
Have to become unpredictable, because what is thrown up is appalling, and everyone would know what we bring to the table is very beatable.

Re: 2015 AFL Season - Rnd 2 West Coast vs Carlton

Reply #37 – April 05, 2015, 09:55:54 am

Interesting that Natanui didn't take any marks (neither did Minson).

It seems that Mitch Brown has torn am ACL and is out for the season.

Re: 2015 AFL Season - Rnd 2 West Coast vs Carlton

Reply #38 – April 05, 2015, 11:08:31 am

Quote from: DJC – on April 04, 2015, 03:05:31 pm

Jones took one mark for the entire game and that is simply not good enough for a key forward whose marking is supposed to be his strength. He didn't lead or make position but seemed to follow Henderson around. Even if the delivery was poor, and I believe poor positioning by the forwards contributed to that, he should have at least marked one or two kick ins. In contrast, Riewoldt had 8 marks and Griffiths got 6.

The other issue with Jones is that he is just a forward and that unbalanced the side with Rowe being forced to go into the ruck. In fact, in his short time in the forward line, Rowe was more competitive and a better target than Jones.

If Jones could play to his potential, he would be a champion. Sadly, I don't think that will happen.

Jones isnt a push and shove merchant and that means he has to take the speccy over the back or make a decent lead which relies on good delivery...the latter is an issue because we
dont use the ball well like the top teams and marking from behind is low percentage option.
He needs instruction on how to work his opponent off the ball and use his size better...look like he has had no instruction at the bulldogs at all......
I'd rather pay Fev to come back and work with the kid on his weak areas, Fev can teach Casboult how to kick as well....

Re: 2015 AFL Season - Rnd 2 West Coast vs Carlton

Reply #39 – April 05, 2015, 11:15:14 am

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on April 05, 2015, 11:08:31 am

Jones isnt a push and shove merchant and that means he has to take the speccy over the back or make a decent lead which relies on good delivery...the latter is an issue because we
dont use the ball well like the top teams and marking from behind is low percentage option.
He needs instruction on how to work his opponent off the ball and use his size better...look like he he no instruction at the bulldogs at all......

Or maybe EB he's just not good enough or doesn't have the focus and determination to better himself, and that's why the Doggies, desperate for tall forwards, let him go.

Re: 2015 AFL Season - Rnd 2 West Coast vs Carlton

Reply #40 – April 05, 2015, 11:25:11 am

Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on April 05, 2015, 11:15:14 am

Or maybe EB he's just not good enough or doesn't have the focus and determination to better himself, and that's why the Doggies, desperate for tall forwards, let him go.

Yep...fair points Carrots and thats why he is on his second and probably last chance....his defensive work at the Dogs led him to being dropped and getting offside
with McCartney who was big on the 1%ers and Jones didnt want to chase, harass and keep the ball in the forward 50 enough.
Mick is a different coach who is prepared to let players off the hook if they dominate in other areas of the game ie Dane Swan.
Will be interesting to see how patient Mick is with Jones if his job starts looking shaky...

Re: 2015 AFL Season - Rnd 2 West Coast vs Carlton

Reply #41 – April 05, 2015, 11:38:48 am

Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on April 05, 2015, 11:15:14 am

Or maybe EB he's just not good enough or doesn't have the focus and determination to better himself, and that's why the Doggies, desperate for tall forwards, let him go.

He apparently trained solo for six weeks over the official player holiday period just to present himself in good condition to Carlton!

Doesn't sound like a bloke who lacks focus or determination, but I admit his history is chequered so perhaps his slate starts in 2015.

Lets focus on his future for now, that is what we want not his past!

My real concern here, we seem to be accumulating blokes who show potential but fail to deliver because they lack confidence! Casboult, Watson, Warnock, Rowe, Curnow, Jones, Bell, Everitt, etc., etc.. I think it's time to get some blokes who over-deliver because they think they are indestructible!

Re: 2015 AFL Season - Rnd 2 West Coast vs Carlton

Reply #42 – April 06, 2015, 12:14:12 pm

Why we can beat WCE:

Bullies are a middle of the road team, like us and WCE struggled to overcome them.
They have no key backman left. Bring in The Bolt and add him to Hendeson, Jones and Menzel to really stretch them.
They are returning from a road trip.
We have a good record on the road.
We have a good record at Subi.
We can't play any worse.
WCE aren't that great!

Convinced??

Re: 2015 AFL Season - Rnd 2 West Coast vs Carlton

Reply #43 – April 06, 2015, 12:24:55 pm

@townsend.

The stacking he forward ine wilth talls, will only work if we dominate the midfield and give them enough opportunity.

To be honest, I think we have too many difficencies in other parts of the grond for that to work.

Re: 2015 AFL Season - Rnd 2 West Coast vs Carlton

Reply #44 – April 06, 2015, 08:20:27 pm

We need to bring in some speed but I don't know where it will come from, Hendo needs to play back. I fear another hiding is on the cards. Hello 0-2.