Re: 2015-Rnd 3 Carlton vs Essendon Reply #90 – April 13, 2015, 07:21:20 am At least we did a good job of fixing Jarrad's back. Quote Selected
Re: 2015-Rnd 3 Carlton vs Essendon Reply #91 – April 13, 2015, 11:50:23 am Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on April 13, 2015, 06:32:39 amAmazing how Mick has all these issues with this side whereas the previous coach got them running quite smoothly. Then again, maybe it's just Mick who is the issue.Smoothly, premiership favourites...Seriously, from 2007 to 2015 we have looked ordinary more often than not, and continually make poor decisions.Yes we did ok there for a bit, but personally that says more about the competition at that time then than it does now. Quote Selected
Re: 2015-Rnd 3 Carlton vs Essendon Reply #92 – April 13, 2015, 11:55:49 am wow... so the Competition was bad that's why we were good...That's a new one. I will tell Geelong, their Flag didn't mean the same as others. Quote Selected
Re: 2015-Rnd 3 Carlton vs Essendon Reply #93 – April 13, 2015, 12:02:02 pm I'll give it to you Thry, you're good at coming up with excuses. Quote Selected
Re: 2015-Rnd 3 Carlton vs Essendon Reply #94 – April 13, 2015, 12:16:31 pm Nah mate, have a think about all the sides in the AFL that were "sides in transition".Footscray, Melbourne, Saints, Richmond, North Melbourne, Adelaide, Port Adelaide, Freo, Sydney, St. Kilda peetered off from their flag winning years, The Bombers were about to do "whatever it takes", Brisbane.All of them were "rebuilding". To discount their status in the competition at the time, where their list was at, and what they have done since then whilst our best 22 roughly looks the same, makes me think that perhaps it has more to do with what happened everywhere else, rather than what happened with us.12 teams right there, who were looking more at their future, and making changes. Quote Selected
Re: 2015-Rnd 3 Carlton vs Essendon Reply #95 – April 13, 2015, 12:31:02 pm You don't just burn everything to the ground during a rebuild. The reason so many are around is because they are still young and can be around for the next cycle. Quote Selected
Re: 2015-Rnd 3 Carlton vs Essendon Reply #96 – April 13, 2015, 12:39:52 pm Quote from: ItsOurTime – on April 13, 2015, 12:31:02 pmYou don't just burn everything to the ground during a rebuild. The reason so many are around is because they are still young and can be around for the next cycle.We did/have.That was Pagan's rebuild. Been labouring ever since. Quote Selected
Re: 2015-Rnd 3 Carlton vs Essendon Reply #97 – April 13, 2015, 12:48:34 pm Quote from: Thryleon – on April 13, 2015, 12:39:52 pmWe did/have.That was Pagan's rebuild. Been labouring ever since.Yep, it was a rejuvenation. Now we need a rebuild. Listening to Mick has made you guys punch drunk. How can you back this guy whose strategy has changed from Flag to Finals to Refreshing to tear it all down and start over is less than 3 years? It's chaos from the top and we see it out on the field. Quote Selected
Re: 2015-Rnd 3 Carlton vs Essendon Reply #98 – April 13, 2015, 12:49:42 pm Quote from: Thryleon – on April 13, 2015, 11:50:23 amSmoothly, premiership favourites...Seriously, from 2007 to 2015 we have looked ordinary more often than not, and continually make poor decisions.Yes we did ok there for a bit, but personally that says more about the competition at that time then than it does now.We did OK, but we couldn't beat the top 4 sides even when we "peaked" under Rattan. We've been crap for 15 years and haven't been a serious finals contender since 2000. Quote Selected
Re: 2015-Rnd 3 Carlton vs Essendon Reply #99 – April 13, 2015, 01:04:45 pm Quote from: blue4life – on April 13, 2015, 12:49:42 pmWe did OK, but we couldn't beat the top 4 sides even when we "peaked" under Rattan. We've been crap for 15 years and haven't been a serious finals contender since 2000.These might be a bit off (quick scan) but to say we couldn't beat top 4 sides is wrong.2008: 1-42009: 2-22010: 2-42011: 0-6 2012: 2-3Not the best record but not never won stuff territory either. That 2011 season was the one that we should have done better in. Quote Selected Last Edit: April 13, 2015, 01:06:34 pm by ItsOurTime
Re: 2015-Rnd 3 Carlton vs Essendon Reply #100 – April 13, 2015, 01:08:09 pm Quote from: blue4life – on April 13, 2015, 12:49:42 pmWe did OK, but we couldn't beat the top 4 sides even when we "peaked" under Ratten. We've been crap for 15 years and haven't been a serious finals contender since 2000.When you're 5th one doesn't beat top 4 sides, it's why you're 5th best. Theoretically anyway. We did get ripped in the one that counted though.It was alot better than we went in any of the other 15yrs and it was nice to play finals. We went so bad any final felt good. Quote Selected
Re: 2015-Rnd 3 Carlton vs Essendon Reply #101 – April 13, 2015, 01:18:02 pm Quote from: ItsOurTime – on April 13, 2015, 01:04:45 pmThese might be a bit off (quick scan) but to say we couldn't beat top 4 sides is wrong.2008: 1-42009: 2-22010: 2-42011: 0-6 2012: 2-3Not the best record but not never won stuff territory either. That 2011 season was the one that we should have done better in.I said that we couldn't beat top 4 sides when we peaked under Ratten and 2011 was his peak.We won one final in his 5 and a bit years and the team who "robbed" us of a prelim had been wooden spooners a few years prior, they got smashed in the prelim like we would have.We need a complete overhaul, with or without Malthouse. Quote Selected Last Edit: April 13, 2015, 01:23:26 pm by blue4life
Re: 2015-Rnd 3 Carlton vs Essendon Reply #102 – April 13, 2015, 01:26:05 pm Quote from: laj – on April 13, 2015, 01:08:09 pmWhen you're 5th one doesn't beat top 4 sides, it's why you're 5th best. Theoretically anyway. We did get ripped in the one that counted though.It was alot better than we went in any of the other 15yrs and it was nice to play finals. We went so bad any final felt good.We went OK when we got peptided into the finals, a win in week one and a four goal loss in Sydney in week two. Quote Selected
Re: 2015-Rnd 3 Carlton vs Essendon Reply #103 – April 13, 2015, 02:05:06 pm I am absolutely dreading losing to this mob. I may have to implement an indefinite electronic communications ban just to avoid the onslaught from all family and friends. Quote Selected
Re: 2015-Rnd 3 Carlton vs Essendon Reply #104 – April 13, 2015, 02:39:40 pm Quote from: Amers – on April 13, 2015, 02:05:06 pmI am absolutely dreading losing to this mob. I may have to implement an indefinite electronic communications ban just to avoid the onslaught from all family and friends.That's because the dumb-ar5e EFC fans think every win they have like yesterday is proof they are innocent, what a bunch of Ultra-morons!They haven't heard of self-incrimination! Quote Selected