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Re: 2015-Rnd 3 Carlton vs Essendon

Reply #165
Bret Thornton developed an ultra negative mindset through being our only decent defender in a team getting flogged every week.

He passed that on to Jamo who came into the club fine but quickly acquired Thornton's capacity to sh1t his own pants at the earliest possible opportunity.

Rowe also shows signs of being fine when things are running his way but playing completely differently when his confidence slips even a little bit. You can tell when they start punching instead of marking simple opportunities and dropping chest marks.

Just keep going for your grabs ! Who cares if you make a mistake. Back yourselves for fork sake.

Lack of midfield defensive pressure makes it difficult for defenders. All three defenders you refer to have been victims of this.

Re: 2015-Rnd 3 Carlton vs Essendon

Reply #166
The only team selection strategy that makes sense is that you pick the 22 players that will give you the best chance of winning the game at hand. Everything else is folly.

Which ones are they though Paul? - the $64million question.  ???
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: 2015-Rnd 3 Carlton vs Essendon

Reply #167
I think that it also plays a part in injury management/treatment.  The inexplicable decision to take the 'conservative' approach with Daisy's shoulder for example.

Shoulder surgery is very hit and miss.
As part of my med student training I spent 3 months working in Beijing at a top orthopaedic hospital there.
One of the surgeons had recently returned from the US after doing 2 years of training, specifically in shoulder repairs. One day I was asking hime about it and asked him what was the main thing he learned, he laughed and said "don't have shoulder surgery, it doesn't work". Obviously he was being overdramatic for comedy sake, but the results are not great.

I'm not sure if Thomas had had shoulder problems in the past, but I wouldn't advocate surgical management for a shoulder after the first dislocation unless there was some serious strucural damage involved.

Re: 2015-Rnd 3 Carlton vs Essendon

Reply #168
Smith was the wrong kid to play.....good attack on the footy doesnt mean he is ready, he  doesnt read the play well and his kicking is poor, he is also very small.
Boekhorst is a much more polished footballer and was the ideal sub.....he is older , more ready and should have played...
Whiley should play this week..190cm bigger bodied and we will need that vs Essendon.
When Cripps is fit I want him back in and in the middle with Whiley.....Bell can Rotate with them, we need bigger stronger bodies to combat the other teams bigger mids......how many times did Priddis get the ball away because we couldnt bring him down?....McIntosh from Richmond was the same..no one could hang a tackle on his bigger frame.

Watch Jobe this week....he will stand up in tackles and give the ball off if we dont man him up with a decent sized opponent.....
I'm happy to play kids but well built kids ..not schoolboys who look like a deer in the headlights...

Agree from the outside looking in Smith was the wrong kid to play.  The question to ask is why play him ahead of everyone else?

The answer probably lies in terms of the way he trains, or attitude he had shown but you would need a more intimate knowledge of the group and how they have taken to life at Carlton to have the answer.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: 2015-Rnd 3 Carlton vs Essendon

Reply #169
Shoulder surgery is very hit and miss.
As part of my med student training I spent 3 months working in Beijing at a top orthopaedic hospital there.
One of the surgeons had recently returned from the US after doing 2 years of training, specifically in shoulder repairs. One day I was asking hime about it and asked him what was the main thing he learned, he laughed and said "don't have shoulder surgery, it doesn't work". Obviously he was being overdramatic for comedy sake, but the results are not great.

I'm not sure if Thomas had had shoulder problems in the past, but I wouldn't advocate surgical management for a shoulder after the first dislocation unless there was some serious strucural damage involved.

Didn't Judd have two shoulder operations before he turned 18 ?

Re: 2015-Rnd 3 Carlton vs Essendon

Reply #170
Wouldn't have a clue.

Google might know.

Re: 2015-Rnd 3 Carlton vs Essendon

Reply #171
Where is Buckley ? That kid plays with heart LOVE of the jumper!
It is really hard to watch them play this type of footy they come out of the blocks good..and then ;(
I really think imo that Mick is over coaching this team, and they are way over thinking things. We were never that team. We were the team that played with our hearts on our sleeves with guts, we were the underdogs coming back from 40 points down in the third quarters, just playing footy for the jumper..So PLEASE Mick...Dont over coach this week let em run onto the park and play footy. we need to bet these scum bag bummers! IT IS A MUST!

Re: 2015-Rnd 3 Carlton vs Essendon

Reply #172
The team this week will be very interesting. Menzel and White both out.
Walker, Graham, Armfield, Whiley, Buckley, Boekhorst must all be in the mix after last weeks practice match.
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Re: 2015-Rnd 3 Carlton vs Essendon

Reply #174
The team this week will be very interesting. Menzel and White both out.
Walker, Graham, Armfield, Whiley, Buckley, Boekhorst must all be in the mix after last weeks practice match.

You'd think Smith gets a rest, Walker, Armfield and Whiley in.

No point letting the EFC Juice Junkies smash the lighter bodies! We threw Murphy to the wolves against a rampaging Brisbane and he has never been quite the same for what that kent Copeland did to the lad!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: 2015-Rnd 3 Carlton vs Essendon

Reply #175
We've been bashed around the head pretty badly already this week. We're going to need a spirited performance, a limp effort and it is going to be complete mayhem.

Re: 2015-Rnd 3 Carlton vs Essendon

Reply #176
We've been bashed around the head pretty badly already this week. We're going to need a spirited performance, a limp effort and it is going to be complete mayhem.

They'll be coming in cock-a-hoop led by their coach, so far demonstrating how invincible and indestructible he is. Heady stuff indeed. This will be more than anything else a massive character test  for our guys.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: 2015-Rnd 3 Carlton vs Essendon

Reply #177
I just want a fair dinkum, honest 4 quarter effort.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: 2015-Rnd 3 Carlton vs Essendon

Reply #178
I just want a fair dinkum, honest 4 quarter effort.

Freo v Eagles is on Sunday.
You can fool some of the people some of the time.......................................

Re: 2015-Rnd 3 Carlton vs Essendon

Reply #179
Shoulder surgery is very hit and miss.
As part of my med student training I spent 3 months working in Beijing at a top orthopaedic hospital there.
One of the surgeons had recently returned from the US after doing 2 years of training, specifically in shoulder repairs. One day I was asking hime about it and asked him what was the main thing he learned, he laughed and said "don't have shoulder surgery, it doesn't work". Obviously he was being overdramatic for comedy sake, but the results are not great.

I'm not sure if Thomas had had shoulder problems in the past, but I wouldn't advocate surgical management for a shoulder after the first dislocation unless there was some serious strucural damage involved.

A conservative approach is fine for most folk but probably not an AFL footballer in their prime.

I listened to Doc Larkin's assessment and he was gobsmacked by the description of the injury - a subluxation when it was clearly a major dislocation with serious damage - and the proposed treatment.  He was concerned that not operating would mean that Thomas would be highly likely to have more problems.

Sholders are or have been an issue with a few of our blokes; Judd, Jamison, Walker, Murphy, Gibbs, etc, not to mention Ablett.



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