Carlton Supporters Club

If he's not as fast as Carrots and not a great kick, why is he here?

I wasn't arguing that the approach is a raging success 

But I think it is a better path than thinking a few games here and there being lost, but providing experience to young players is a good thing. Yes a young player will get 100 minutes of football. But in a side that he knows is not serious about winning. Seems a good way for players to then play for themselves and not the team. It creates self preservation and entitlement.

GWS and GC both had lists of young players and indeed were stacked to the gills with them. GWS have however put some more experience in, and not put too much store in a Gary Ablett type to generate success. It may be working as GC seem to be demonstrating some problems that comes from a bunch of talented juniors getting games and then not progressing and

You have failed to grasp the concept of a rebuild.

You still don't get it.

If you take a bunch of privileged rich kids, stick them in a prison with hardened criminals. Will they come out of it the same?

The environment of the club is having a detrimental effect on our players, staff and definitely the members/supporters.

Melbourne were tanking playing kids and everyone knew it....including the players. It bred a bad culture. A losing culture. Some of these kids wanted out as a result. Tom Scully being your #1 on that list! Roos is still trying to change that. No matter how many high draft picks they get, they are still trying to shake their past.

What we want to build or rebuild is our determination/confidence/integrity as much as our playing list. We need to rebuild our culture. Play players who play for the team. Get some wins. Introduce kids sparingly, be careful not to overload them (remember Kreuzer?) but reward effort!

Rebuilding is more than getting games into some kids.

You still don't get it.

If you take a bunch of privileged rich kids, stick them in a prison with hardened criminals. Will they come out of it the same?

The environment of the club is having a detrimental effect on our players, staff and definitely the members/supporters.

Melbourne were tanking playing kids and everyone knew it....including the players. It bred a bad culture. A losing culture. Some of these kids wanted out as a result. Tom Scully being your #1 on that list! Roos is still trying to change that. No matter how many high draft picks they get, they are still trying to shake their past.

What we want to build or rebuild is our determination/confidence/integrity as much as our playing list. We need to rebuild our culture. Play players who play for the team. Get some wins. Introduce kids sparingly, be careful not to overload them (remember Kreuzer?) but reward effort!

Rebuilding is more than getting games into some kids.

But that is a major part of it. There's nothing to say you are not creating a winning culture just by going with the kids. That argument is just silly. You're effectively trying to deflect from what we're talking about here by trying to label it 'tanking'. There is a huge difference, but I'm sure you know that.

Either way you spin it, the coach has failed dismally. No getting around that. Whatever he's trying to do, it's not working. I'm sure any rational person can clearly see that.

Seems most rational people believe he aint got the cattle and the club's something of a cot case... in fact most rational people seem to believe that sticking with MM is the sensible thing to do. Can't say I agree with it, but that is the overwhelming opinion in the footy fraternity.

It's a recipe for success for the future, not the present. Not rocket science.

Sucess in the future can only be possible if a team starts to conduct itself in the way that it wants to be right now. Playing the kids is the mantra of the loser. It says we are not good enough now, so we hope that by gaining experience we will somehow get better. In a team sport that is a recipe for continued poor results. It nurtures an environment where losing in the present is acceptable in the hope that tomorrow will be better.

Know what?  Tomorrow never comes and losing begets losing. And bringing in ill prepared young players to such a mix retards their development. Senior players figure they can coast along as the team is in rebuild mode, and first round picks figure they get a game cause they 'need experience' but never fully grasp the level of commitment required to earn selection on merit. So let's all lose together and explain it away.

The best footy teams (like any succesful team in any walk of life) hate losing and are filthy about it when they do. It's great to learn from mistakes but once losing is acceptable for a team then the rot has set in and it spirals down. And the exchange of a team losing a few games for the gain of getting experience into individuals is a lousy trade off.

Anyway, rant over. Hoping for a good performance against the Giants. If our midfield work hard enough we may get a decent spread and some clean ball forward. We saw a couple of glimpses last week when this happened.