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Robbo: Carlton tanking?

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/subscribe/news/1/index.html?sourceCode=HSWEB_WRE170_a&mode=premium&dest=http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-was-so-pathetic-against-brisbane-it-may-be-worth-asking-the-question-about-tanking-again/story-fnp04d70-1227487441956&memtype=anonymous

Can't read the link but this is bizarre as Robbo said we're not tanking only 2 hrs ago on 360 and now he's questioning if we are?
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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  INTERIM Carlton coach John Barker suitably wasn’t impressed when asked about tanking on Friday morning.

“I’ll assume that you didn’t ask me that question,” Barker said, rocking on his haunches and half rolling the eyes.

Maybe it’s worth asking that question again.


Did the Blues players try at the weekend? Of course they did.

Has injuries cut the Blues off at the knees? Of course they have.

Still, why didn’t Yarran and Menzel play? Carlton could’ve picked a stronger team for the Lions clash but believed they couldn’t compromise their standards by giving games to Yarran and Menzel when they haven’t deserved it.

So, is not picking your best team this week to improve the long-term culture of next year tanking?

That’s where the debate gets hairy.

Barker clearly took last Friday’s question as an affront.

As interim coach, he needed wins and what a catastrophic lack of integrity on Barker’s behalf — he has coached just 11 games — it would be if he manipulated the game result against the Lions.

No, it didn’t happen.

The Blues are simply no good and were exposed in dreadful fashion by the Lions.

Okay he doesn't think we're tanking he just wrote the article to tell everyone we're crap.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Quote from: madbluboy – on
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/subscribe/news/1/index.html?sourceCode=HSWEB_WRE170_a&mode=premium&dest=http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-was-so-pathetic-against-brisbane-it-may-be-worth-asking-the-question-about-tanking-again/story-fnp04d70-1227487441956&memtype=anonymous

Can't read the link but this is bizarre as Robbo said we're not tanking only 2 hrs ago on 360 and now he's questioning if we are?

Fox are a foreskin away from getting the next TV deal. They've gone big.

Robbo could be putting it at risk if he accuses us of that.
You can fool some of the people some of the time.......................................

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Maybe people who live in glasshouses shouldn't chuck stones.... bumbers have been tanking for at least the last 10 weeks.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

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Quote from: Professer E – on
Maybe people who live in glasshouses shouldn't chuck stones.... bumbers have been tanking for at least the last 10 weeks.

They jab quite a lot as well!

Seriously, it's just another attempt to deflect from his buddy being pumped in the media. He knew what type of headline that would get pegged to this article and wrote the opposite. Nobody should take Flubbo seriously anymore his writing is so conflicted.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Menzel and Yarran were dropped for "not meeting onfield standards" (code for not enough effort)... which appears justified as they haven't really shown much anything at the NBs... yet not playing them in the firsts means we are tanking?  The logic of that entire line of reasoning is beyond my understanding.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

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Cameron Wood being dropped while he was working well with Kreuzer was a strange one. It allowed Casboult to play forward almost the whole game.

Wood and Kreuzer played in our games against

Adelaide Loss 9 points
Port Adelaide Win
Gold Coast Win
Bulldogs Loss 11 points
Richmond Loss 30 points

before being dropped for a couple of games

Fremantle Loss 42 points
Hawthorn Loss 138 points

brought back Wood

Kangaroos Loss by 64 points
Collingwood Loss by 18 points

dropped again

Brisbane Loss by 64 points.

Aside from the North game where we still showed a little fight despite the margin our performances with Wood and Kreuzer have been more competitive.

2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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MBB, you do have a nice theory there, but I don't think it quite works.
I am not sure why Cameron Wood has dropped in form so much, but his present form is deplorable. he doesn't deserve a spot in the seniors at this time.
Wood started the year well, and finished last year in career best form. But since Kreuzer has started to find some form, Wood hasn't been getting much time on the ground. On top of that, his own stats have dropped through the floor.
He was 'rested' a couple of weeks back and ended up not playing for the NBs when he was named there. His form since then suggests he is cooked and he needs to re-set for next year. He was even toweled up by Sandringham's ruckmen last weekend.

I agree with you that we are better with Wood in the team. He allows Casboult to remain forward and he gives us another marking option. When he is in form, he gives a more than adequate replacement when Kreuzer needs to rest, and it allows Kreuzer to be a marking target down forward as well.
But all of this presumes that Wood wins his share of tap outs and actually get a few possessions. This hasn't been happening.

It really shows something though, our complete lack of ruck options. We have 3 ruckmen on our list. One was playing poorly before having a season ending injury. He has made a minimal contribution for the year. The 2nd has come back from long term injuries and is slowly improving. The 3rd is Wood, who carried the ruck for the majority of the year. Unfortunately he is having a down patch at the moment (a seriously bad patch, but since when is he alone in that?).

This makes the conspiracy theory look a little thin.

As for that fool's tanking theory, perhaps he should look in the stands at our games and see how many of our front line players are sitting up there with him. If we were losing games with all these guys on the field, then you could reasonably claim we were tanking. Take a dozen front liners out of any other team and see how they play!
Live Long and Prosper!

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It's not so much about Wood although he did have more clearances than any other ruckman in the comp before he was dropped, it's more about playing 2 ruckman.

It gives Kreuzer relief which allows Casboult to play more forward without getting worn out rucking which gives Henderson more support which allows Menzel more freedom etc etc.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Quote from: madbluboy – on
It's not so much about Wood although he did have more clearances than any other ruckman in the comp before he was dropped, it's more about playing 2 ruckman.

It gives Kreuzer relief which allows Casboult to play more forward without getting worn out rucking which gives Henderson more support which allows Menzel more freedom etc etc.
In that I agree with you totally. Our structure is much better playing the 2 ruckmen. But we have a minimal supply of decent ruckmen at the moment and Wood is not holding his own.

IF (and it is a very big IF) we were tanking, then planning our team structure to minimize success would include playing 1 ruckman, rather than 2, not playing guys in positions where they are more effective and things like that. However, proving that this is the case with us would be extremely difficult and would be offensive considering the number of players we have who are unavailable. Nor could it be reasonable to accuse us of this when other teams appear equally guilty (Look at Essendon, for example) without having our coaching changes and injury issues. No other team has lost its coach like we did (Adelaide lost their coach under different circumstances and it appears to have galvanized them to superior efforts), and only one other team has lost their captain and best player (the other being Gold Coast, who were also terrible for much of the year and who remain less than 1 game in front of us with a better overall list).
Live Long and Prosper!

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Listening to SEN the Carlton are tanking media witch hunt is on...
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

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Quote from: madbluboy – on
Cameron Wood being dropped while he was working well with Kreuzer was a strange one. It allowed Casboult to play forward almost the whole game.

Wood and Kreuzer played in our games against

Adelaide Loss 9 points
Port Adelaide Win
Gold Coast Win
Bulldogs Loss 11 points
Richmond Loss 30 points

before being dropped for a couple of games

Fremantle Loss 42 points
Hawthorn Loss 138 points

brought back Wood

Kangaroos Loss by 64 points
Collingwood Loss by 18 points

dropped again

Brisbane Loss by 64 points.

Aside from the North game where we still showed a little fight despite the margin our performances with Wood and Kreuzer have been more competitive.

Makes sense. I thought we lost to Freo by around 10 goals??
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

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We are playing the system as all other clubs have and would do...its tanking but where is the problem?...its up to the AFL to change the draft system if they have a problem with what we are doing..

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Quote from: Professer E – on
Listening to SEN the Carlton are tanking media witch hunt is on...

We won 7 games last year, we lost a bunch of senior players over the preseason. We spent the first half of this year getting belted and we now have 25 available players including the retirement of our most important player from the past decade.

When Mick was looking shakey it was all about the awful list and years of botched trading. Now with a novice coach of questionable talent in charge, they decide we're tanking - you couldn't make thiss crap up.