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With the lights on for a large portion of his career.

Cmon mate, yes he has improved since Mick left especially with his leadership but you seriously trying to tell me he was great for on field culture in the past? Skirting around the back of packs for the cheap handball and turning it over? Or going two games in the wet with laying a tackle? Be fair cmon.

Cmon mate, yes he has improved since Mick left especially with his leadership but you seriously trying to tell me he was great for on field culture in the past? Skirting around the back of packs for the cheap handball and turning it over? Or going two games in the wet with laying a tackle? Be fair cmon.

I can't help but think that it is incredibly naive of you, Kruddler and Thry to use the players as an excuse for Malthouse's shortcomings.

The club finally realised that he was destroying our list and our culture and took action to remove him before it was too late.  No matter how you try to spin it, the appointment of Malthouse was a disaster.  It will be a real test of our culture, not to mention Bolton's character, to see if we can rebound from the lowest we've been since the worst days of Pagan.

Naivity is thinking that Malthouse is the cause of all our problems.
Naivity is thinking that Malthouses sacking will solve all our problems.

Nobody is complaining about the sacking of Mick.
People who 'defend' him are not doing so because they want him back.
People are doing it because he has been blamed for everything from causing Garlett to duck his head, white anting the club and even responsible for global warming!

FFS, give it a rest and look at the club over the past 15 years. It has been a rabble. We have won only 2 finals (1 under mick!) and have largely underperformed on and off the field.

How anyone thinks Mick has done all of this in the 2.5 years he was at the club has half a beach rattling around in their head!

Why argue in MMs defense then, why not just unload on the players and the club?

If they are all bad they are all bad, don't defend any of them!

Why argue in his defense? To show people that there are still many large issues at the club.

If i, and everyone go along with the 'yeah, coach is gone everything is fine' way of thinking...then we will overlook some serious problems at the club.

I made an analogy earlier, if you pin a murder on a bloke who turns out to be innocent, the real murderer is still out there.....but nobody is looking because they already have 'the guy'. We need to keep looking!

Hitler never fired a shot, but we don't have to defend him to talk about the war criminals!

MM did major damage, but the damage he did may not be repaired just by removing him.

It's taken Richmond decades to come to terms with that, and only now are they starting to see the benefits.

I've got a feeling what we're seeing is players leaving players.

I think the playing group is fragmented.
The reasons for that may very well be coach related.
But at the end of the day it's the responsibility of the club to ensure these divisions don't exist.

It's why it's a good thing that those that aren't happy are "on their bikes".
Time to start again from scratch with everyone on the same page.
Facilitate the moves for anyone that doesn't want to be there....otherwise you perpetuate the problem.
Don't fight to keep them...it's counter productive.