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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #315 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Magazines for the AR-15 hold between 5 and 100 rounds but 20 and 30 round magazines are standard.  Military users of the similar M-16 often tape three magazines together giving rapid access to up to 90 rounds.  Changing magazines takes seconds so magazine capacity is not a limiting factor.

The AR-15 is semi-automatic so the rate of fire is dependant on how fast the shooter can pull the trigger (and change magazines).  I once fired 60 rounds from a semi-automatic rifle in just over a minute (two magazine changes) so shooting around 100 people in a confined area in 5-10 minutes would be relatively easy - if you are cold-blooded enough to carry out such an atrocity.

I understand that the delay in entering the building was due to fears that the gunman had explosives.  I'm not sure how far the armoured vehicle had to travel but that may have been a factor too.

AR-15's are a very quick mag change and shoot 20 rounds in nine seconds, given the shooter had a modded up 100 round mag it would have been easy to shoot a lot of people at once.
My bro in law is in a gun club/collects them and he reckons the big thing with the military style weapons is they dont overheat like older semi autos so you dont have any cool down period which allows you to keep shooting and that a kid could learn to use a AR-15 as they are that easy. They should be banned.....

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #316 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
AR-15's are a very quick mag change and shoot 20 rounds in nine seconds, given the shooter had a modded up 100 round mag it would have been easy to shoot a lot of people at once.
My bro in law is in a gun club/collects them and he reckons the big thing with the military style weapons is they dont overheat like older semi autos so you dont have any cool down period which allows you to keep shooting and that a kid could learn to use a AR-15 as they are that easy. They should be banned.....

I don't know much about AR-15 but I do know modifications are available via legitimate and illegitimate means for many weapons. Can you turn one into fully-auto easily?

I have used a 9mm glock handgun extensively, which are a semi auto-matic hand gun. The following accessories are available for it
Shoulder stock and barrel extension (to turn it into a rifle.)
Silencer.
Scope.
100 shot mags (normal mag is 13)
 and most sinister is a kit which turns it from a semi-auto pistol into a fully automatic submachine gun, like an Uzi. Complete with 100 shot mag, side bar, silencer, shoulder stock and to change from semi-auto to fully auto requires the simple insertion of a small metal tab that's about the size of a half a guitar pick into the back of the slide mechanism.
You can fool some of the people some of the time.......................................

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #317 –
The current AR-15 differs from the M-16 and M-4 military rifles so that it is not possible to interchange components and convert the AR-15 to select fire (3 shot bursts and fully automatic).  It is illegal to convert AR-15s to fully automatic in the US but not illegal to have fully automatic AR-15s that were converted before the legislation was enacted  ::)
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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #318 –
Scary fact;

Dependant on the firing mechanism conversion to fully-auto from semi-auto can sometimes be achieved by simply using a pair of pliers and your girlfriends hair pin! It's not a long term solution as the hair pin breaks, but it does work for a clip or two.

EB1 is on the money regarding overheating issues with some semi-autos compared to the 15s.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #319 –
Click HERE for an article describing a confrontation between a Shooters' Party MP and a Port Arthur massacre survivor on SBS's Insight.  He was whinging that it was oh so hard to obtain a Category C licence which permits possession of semi-automatic rifles/shotguns or pump-action shotguns.  She told him it was supposed to be!  Talk about being tone deaf ...

She also advocates the banning of the Adler 110 shotgun banned as it's capable of the rapid fire of up to 8 rounds.  Unfortunately, the gun control measures have been progressively white-anted so that there are gaps big enough to sneak a Howitzer through.

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #320 –
Quote from: Mav – on

Dylan Roof shot a number of black people in a Charleston church.  He was a racist who had been inspired by podcasts espousing Christian Identity doctrines urging the start of a race war.  Use of violence - check.  Against civilians - check.  In pursuit of political aims - check.  Yet he wasn't called a terrorist, except by left-wingers who pointed out that he would have been labelled that way if he were a Muslim.  Instead, he was called deranged or unhinged.  The right-wing press did its best to ignore the fact it was a case of racial hatred.  Instead, it was portrayed as an attack on Christians!

He shot a number Christians in a Church Mav.....not sure how it could be portrayed as anything else.

Life is pain....... anyone who says differently is selling something.

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #321 –
He was a Christian too.  What he wasn't was black.  And if you followed the case, you'd know that his issue was their colour.  He confessed that immediately after the shootings.  Seems the right wing is happy to ignore self-professed motives where it suits but any comments about Islam exclude any other possible explanations.

Click HERE for a report on his 'manifesto' drawn from his website.  Can you find any issue with Christians?

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #322 –
He was a terrorist too.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #323 –
And yet he is only referred to as the Charleston Church shooter.  On the other hand, the media referred to the San Bernadino terror attack. 

When Trump next asks why some are reluctant to refer to Radical Islamic terrorism, someone should tell him that this is a tautology.  Terrorism MEANS Radical Islamic Terrorism.  There simply is no other kind in the US.

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #324 –
Click HERE for an opinion piece on the same point which concludes as follows:

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The Orlando shootings are a textbook example of where labelling somebody a terrorist tells us more about the person applying the label than it does about the person labelled. The worst mass shooting in US history can be both an act of terrorism and an act of homophobia – there is no tension between the two, apart from in the eyes of the beholder.

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #325 –
"The Orlando shootings are a textbook example of where labelling somebody a terrorist tells us more about the person applying the label than it does about the person labelled. The worst mass shooting in US history can be both an act of terrorism and an act of homophobia – there is no tension between the two, apart from in the eyes of the beholder."

Great quote. Thank you, Mr Maverick.

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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #326 –
A similar situation has emerged in Britain today with the murder of an MP by a mentally ill man. The conspiracy theorists are in full flight linking it to Brexiteers and anti immigration groups.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #327 –
I'm not sure what's being implied here?

Is there a suggestion that Orlando wasn't an act of terrorism as well as a homophobic attack.

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #328 –
Quote from: Lods – on
I'm not sure what's being implied here?

Is there a suggestion that Orlando wasn't an act of terrorism as well as a homophobic attack.

I guess we really need to define what we mean by "an act of terrorism" since this can have a number of connotations, depending on your point of view.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #329 –
Mav gave a definition of it a little while back

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"the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims"

so in that context....

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/16/us/orlando-shooter-omar-mateen/

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"America and Russia stop bombing the Islamic state," the gunman wrote, according to the chairman of the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs.
"You kill innocent women and children by doing us airstrikes ... now taste the Islamic state vengeance."

Pretty much an act of terrorism (whatever his other motives...including a suggested conflict regarding his sexuality)