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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #450 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
She could have picked nearly any of his business ventures if she wanted a failure as a backdrop..... ;) successful businessman ...No....lucky heir  to plenty of money..yes...

A great Jewish quote really applies to Trump...'He's very lucky his father was born before him.'
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #451 –
Quote from: cookie2 – on
Just because Trump would be a disaster does not mean she would be any good. It's a choice  between the Devil and the deep blue sea IMO. She is a proven liar.
OMG, a politician who lies.  Fancy that. 

How would we characterise those lies?  Has she claimed that intelligence proves that Saddam Hussein had WMDs?  Did she delete 5 million emails to thwart an investigation into whether the White House had engineered the dismissal of 8 US Attorneys?  What about swiftboating and hanging chads?  Please explain how she could be anywhere near as bad as the last Republican in the White House. 

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #452 –
Quote from: Mav – on
OMG, a politician who lies.  Fancy that. 

How would we characterise those lies?  Has she claimed that intelligence proves that Saddam Hussein had WMDs?  Did she delete 5 million emails to thwart an investigation into whether the White House had engineered the dismissal of 8 US Attorneys?  What about swiftboating and hanging chads?  Please explain how she could be anywhere near as bad as the last Republican in the White House.

If you're satisfied Mav then that's your call mate.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #453 –
Of course it would be better if a conservative got in because they tell the truth.  Maybe that's because they live their lives according to God's word.

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #454 –
Quote from: Mav – on
Of course it would be better if a conservative got in because they tell the truth.  Maybe that's because they live their lives according to God's word.

I don't think I was making that claim. What gave you that idea?
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #455 –
I can't make out any claim you're making.  Apart from claiming that lies disqualify candidates and mean they can't do the job well.  I tend to agree with Machiavelli that a politician who can't tell a lie has no business being in charge of a country.

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #456 –
Quote from: Mav – on
I can't make out any claim you're making.  Apart from claiming that lies disqualify candidates and mean they can't do the job well.  I tend to agree with Machiavelli that a politician who can't tell a lie has no business being in charge of a country.

I'm expressing my view that just because Trump would likely make a disastrous president doesn't mean that Hilary would necessarily make a good one. If she gets the gig prepare to be disappointed - it would be an appointment to be endured not celebrated IMO. If you're happy to be lied to and led by the nose then that is undoubtedly your own choice - personally I'd prefer someone a bit better than that. Maybe I'm just asking for too much?

Reality always wins in the end.

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #457 –
The conventional wisdom, at least amongst Democrats, is that Hillary is a poor campaigner but is a good operator when she wins.  She's not my dream candidate - Barack Obama is.  She would start her presidency, though, with an advantage over Obama 2008.  She realises just how partisan and obstructive the GOP is and she won't repeat Obama's naïveté in that regard.  She's spent well over 2 decades standing at ground zero while the GOP went nuclear against Bill and her.  She won't make the mistake of thinking she can appeal to Congress for goodwill and bipartisanship.

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #458 –
Quote from: cookie2 – on
Just because Trump would be a disaster does not mean she would be any good. It's a choice  between the Devil and the deep blue sea IMO. She is a proven liar.

How can you tell if a politician is lying?

Their lips are moving.

Of course, you can substitute many other occupations for politicians without affecting the validity of the observation.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!
 

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Reply #459 –
Quote from: DJC – on
How can you tell if a politician is lying?

Their lips are moving.

Of course, you can substitute many other occupations for politicians without affecting the validity of the observation.

Golden oldie there DJC!  ;)

Anyway, poor Hillary hasn't even mastered the basic stock in trade of a politician if that were the case - hasn't she been caught out numerous times on even some pretty pathetic ones?
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #460 –
Quote from: cookie2 – on
Golden oldie there DJC!  ;)

Anyway, poor Hillary hasn't even mastered the basic stock in trade of a politician if that were the case - hasn't she been caught out numerous times on even some pretty pathetic ones?

She has been anointed by the powers that be, the rest is white noise.
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #462 –
An inanimate carbon rod could beat Hillary. ;)
A very average candidate who struggled to put away an elderly socialist dreamer.

Unfortunately for Donald Trump he is no "inanimate carbon rod".
He has no chance.

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #463 –
This is a good article about the conventional wisdom I've mentioned before, namely that Hillary is a bad campaigner but good when she gets a job: http://www.vox.com/a/hillary-clinton-interview/the-gap-listener-leadership-quality.

It analyses both her strengths and weaknesses.

Unsurprisingly, Trump and Hillary are opposites - she builds alliances and is a good listener while Trump loves talking, mostly about himself, rather than listening to the views of others; she takes into account many views before making a decision whereas Trump makes decisions more quickly; she has a proven record of working co-operatively with those who have attacked her in the past while he feels the need to settle scores or humiliate those who have challenged him.  The only thing that they share in common is a distrust and low opinion of the press.