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Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #675 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Trump is about as elite as it gets. His questioning is dubious at best.

The elite has got a bet each way - whoever wins the election, the elite will win.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #676 –
Quote from: cookie2 – on
The elite has got a bet each way - whoever wins the election, the elite will win.

True - to be a presidential candidate, you would have to be one of the elites.

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #677 –
Apparently, voting is already underway!  North Carolina has already sent out absentee voting ballots to those who requested them.  North Carolina is a battleground state.

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In a possible sign of increased interest, 34,788 voters as of Friday had requested absentee ballots, according to the North Carolina State Board of Elections, up from about 25,600 from a similar timeframe in 2012. Broken down by party, the requests were somewhat evenly divided — 37 percent Democrat to 35 percent Republican and 28 percent who were unaffiliated with a party. Ballots were being mailed Friday with votes likely to start arriving in the coming days.

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The stakes are high: Voters who cast ballots in advance are expected to make up between 50 to 75 percent or more of all ballots in the battlegrounds of North Carolina, Colorado, Florida, Nevada, Arizona and Georgia, according to data compiled by The Associated Press.
https://www.apnews.com/a0a6c4220d204a28869b54b8e7906720

Hard to read those stats.  How many Democrats who applied for early voting ballots are Sanders voters who might vote against Clinton and how many Republicans will desert Trump?  My guess is that Trump will lose more defectors than Clinton.  And the 28% who aren't identified with those 2 parties exceeds the 10-15% opinion polls suggest will vote for 3rd party candidates, meaning there's a lot of swinging voters.

Next week, ballots will be mailed out to overseas military personnel and battleground states Wisconsin, Virginia and Iowa will mail out theirs before the end of the month.

Of course, voters don't have to return their ballots early.  But if they do, later developments become less important and Trump's decision to defer running ads might have been an error.
 

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #678 –
Terrible week for Clinton and that was before she collapsed.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #680 –
Be interesting to see what the Trumpster makes of it - will he open his mouth and put his big foot right in it?  ???
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #681 –
Interesting to see how it pans out.  If it is pneumonia, is it just bad luck like getting the flu or is it related to lack of physical or psychological stamina?  If the former, it's inconvénient but not so bad.  She's been trying to present a small target and this might even help in that regard.  No doubt Trump will attack her over her health and use it to leverage the conspiracy theories over having brain damage.  If the illness is only bad luck, those attacks might come across as unfair, particularly as Trump seems to believe that women are the weaker sex.

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #682 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Terrible week for Clinton and that was before she collapsed.

Yes, but she has a long way to go before she can match Trump's ongoing sequence of terrible weeks.

I don't think there's been two more uninspiring candidates.  Well, perhaps Rudd and Abbott would go close.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #683 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Yes, but she has a long way to go before she can match Trump's ongoing sequence of terrible weeks.

I don't think there's been two more uninspiring candidates.  Well, perhaps Rudd and Abbott would go close.

She doesn't have to match him, she's held to a higher standard.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/09/08/opinion/donald-trump-is-lying-in-plain-sight.html

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“Donald Trump, the Republican nominee for President, does not so much struggle with the truth as strangle it altogether. He lies to avoid. He lies to inflame. He lies to promote and to preen. Sometimes he seems to lie just for the hell of it. He traffics in conspiracy theories that he cannot possibly believe and in grotesque promises that he cannot possibly fulfill. When found out, he changes the subject — or lies larger.”

And yet in polls like the CNN/ORC poll released Tuesday, Trump leads Clinton on the issue of being honest and trustworthy by 15 percentage points.

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I believe that this is in large part because we, an irresponsible media, have built a false equivalency in which the choice between Clinton and Trump seems to have equally bad implications, because we have framed it as a choice between a liar and a lunatic.

But this obscures the fact that the lunatic is also a pathological liar of a kind and quality that we have not seen in recent presidential politics and perhaps ever.

Trump is in a category all his own.

Part of the reason for Clinton’s problems is that she is being held to a traditional level of honesty and integrity, as she should be.

But Trump is being held to a wholly different, more flexible standard. When he takes a different position over years or months or days or even hours, that is not simply an innocent evolution, but a flat-out lie.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #684 –
After scanning a few medical sites, it looks like both sides will have an argument.  Pneumonia often develops after flus and other respiratory infections, so Clinton's camp will be able to say it was just one of those things.  On the other hand, those with dementia have a greater susceptibility to it and you can imagine that the Trump camp will wheel out supposed medical experts who are willing to deduce that she's suffering dementia after the concussion she suffered a few years back. 

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #685 –
Quote from: Mav – on
After scanning a few medical sites, it looks like both sides will have an argument.  Pneumonia often develops after flus and other respiratory infections, so Clinton's camp will be able to say it was just one of those things.  On the other hand, those with dementia have a greater susceptibility to it and you can imagine that the Trump camp will wheel out supposed medical experts who are willing to deduce that she's suffering dementia after the concussion she suffered a few years back.

There is the oft quoted remark by Bill too, made following a serious fall she had in 2012 I think. This is often picked up  by so called conspiracy theorists and from memory he said that it took six months of serious treatment/work to get her over that, but it's not clear what injuries she actually may have sustained.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #686 –
I'd heard her family did not want her to run because of her health issues, something about having a throat condition that can lead to a collapse of her airway. It's apparently why she coughs all the time. But apparently it's quite common, and people have lived into their hundreds with the same condition.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #687 –
She has also had a few blood clots and is on blood thinners...but who isn't. ;)
It's one of the joys of growing old that we become susceptible to these things.
Most folk her age would experience similar problems.
The health problems become an issue when they are highlighted and then she has the odd episode like yesterday.
If she makes it through what will be a rough couple of months with no further incidents she should be fine but she can't afford repeat problems given that her health is now a major, and relevant, point of concern

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #688 –
If she had to pull out for medical reason, is her vp running mate instated as primary candidate automatically, or can the democrats convene for a special sit down?

#feelthebern
Keep the Faith

Re: US Presidential Election 2016

Reply #689 –
Quote from: Lods – on
She has also had a few blood clots and is on blood thinners...

Yep that is it, she'd had a blood clot that left part of her throat paralysed which is why she coughs so much speaking.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"