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Reply #1170
What's your problem with Russians Mav?

I have a  few problems with Vlad and his crew...Biggest gun running country in the world via their former KGB puppet led satellite states who make/refurbish guns rather than tractors these days...annexed Crimea for none of the reasons they stated ie to protect Russian born citizens , seem to have a problem identifying commercial planes from military ones ....
I'll be interested to see what Trump does with his new buddy Vlad.....the latter will want Trump to pull NATO off his back fence so he can start saving some rubles and fund the  cuts he has to make to his military budget..

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Reply #1171
"The Grand Chessboard" strategy and the rise of the neo cons provide some illuminating background to all of this.
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #1172
I have a  few problems with Vlad and his crew...Biggest gun running country in the world via their former KGB puppet led satellite states who make/refurbish guns rather than tractors these days...annexed Crimea for none of the reasons they stated ie to protect Russian born citizens , seem to have a problem identifying commercial planes from military ones ....
I'll be interested to see what Trump does with his new buddy Vlad.....the latter will want Trump to pull NATO off his back fence so he can start saving some rubles and fund the  cuts he has to make to his military budget..

Not to mention their treatment of minorities and the recent decision by the Duma to de-criminalise domestic violence  ::)
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

 

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Reply #1173
My missus had a dilemma today, found a photo of Trump when preparing the cat's litter tray.  Didn't know whether to line the poop tray with it or shred it so the cats could really go to town on it.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

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Reply #1174
Here's an indication that a Republican-controlled Congress is hardly likely to go after Trump over the links between his administration and Russia: http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/rand-paul-accidentally-speaks-his-mind-about-investigating-trump.

Rand Paul made explicit what other Republicans no doubt are keeping hidden.  It will stay in the Intelligence Committee and out of public view rather than allowing a Select Committee to hold public hearings,  Select Committees are for going after the Dems over historical matters which have no current significance.  Benghazi anyone?

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Reply #1175
My missus had a dilemma today, found a photo of Trump when preparing the cat's litter tray.  Didn't know whether to line the poop tray with it or shred it so the cats could really go to town on it.

 :)) :)) :))
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Reply #1176
Here's an indication that a Republican-controlled Congress is hardly likely to go after Trump over the links between his administration and Russia: http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/rand-paul-accidentally-speaks-his-mind-about-investigating-trump.

Rand Paul made explicit what other Republicans no doubt are keeping hidden.  It will stay in the Intelligence Committee and out of public view rather than allowing a Select Committee to hold public hearings,  Select Committees are for going after the Dems over historical matters which have no current significance.  Benghazi anyone?

Of course parties apply different standards to their opponents....and also prioritise an agenda according to that....The problem here is that there appears to be significant leaking from the White house and the associated bureaucracy that's finding its way into the media.
That in itself is another huge issue..... but it makes it much more difficult for Trump and the Republicans to let it go unchallenged...especially if transcripts start appearing in the press.

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Reply #1177
Of course parties apply different standards to their opponents....and also prioritise an agenda according to that....The problem here is that there appears to be significant leaking from the White house and the associated bureaucracy that's finding its way into the media.
That in itself is another huge issue..... but it makes it much more difficult for Trump and the Republicans to let it go unchallenged...especially if transcripts start appearing in the press.

Many of the leaks are claimed to come from the intelligence/security services.
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #1178
No guarantee that the leaks didn't come from inside the White House.  But if they came from the intelligence services, there's a pretty good chance that the leakers were concerned about Flynn being a threat to national security.

Remember, one of Flynn's deputies lost his security clearance shortly before this story broke: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/11/top-flynn-deputy-denied-high-level-clearance-off-nsa-team.html.

Remember also that the suggestion is that Flynn was in contact with Russians "of interest" to intelligence services.  That seems to translate to Russian intelligence operatives.  Such relationships are a security risk and it's not ideal at all.

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Reply #1179
I'm not sure individuals leaking information to the press whether it's coming from the White House or intelligence services isn't also a security risk and not ideal at all.

That needs to be fixed up quick smart.

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Reply #1180
None of the leaks are illegal.  The leakers haven't committed any crime.  The information here isn't classified.  The information is that Flynn amongst others had frequent contact with Russian actors at the time of sanctions being imposed and it became apparent from this that Flynn lied to Pence.  Leakers might be sacked if identified but that's it.  This isn't analogous to Snowden's case at all. 

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Reply #1181
No guarantee that the leaks didn't come from inside the White House.  But if they came from the intelligence services, there's a pretty good chance that the leakers were concerned about Flynn being a threat to national security.

Remember, one of Flynn's deputies lost his security clearance shortly before this story broke: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/02/11/top-flynn-deputy-denied-high-level-clearance-off-nsa-team.html.

Remember also that the suggestion is that Flynn was in contact with Russians "of interest" to intelligence services.  That seems to translate to Russian intelligence operatives.  Such relationships are a security risk and it's not ideal at all.

One thing is for certain, there are very few "intelligence types" in the Trump administration! :D
The Force Awakens!

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Reply #1182
None of the leaks are illegal.  The leakers haven't committed any crime.  The information here isn't classified.  The information is that Flynn amongst others had frequent contact with Russian actors at the time of sanctions being imposed and it became apparent from this that Flynn lied to Pence.  Leakers might be sacked if identified but that's it.  This isn't analogous to Snowden's case at all.

A sacking's fair enough..if they've done nothing illegal.
But they still have to go.
You can't run a government without that type of security of information.

Flynn went because he lied to (and embarrassed) Pence

Anything beyond that ...we'll have to wait for the transcripts.
If Flynn or others have been involved in illegal activities they should be subject to criminal charges.

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Reply #1183
Bit late for Trump to complain about leaks.  Isn't he the one who said he loves Wikileaks and publicly called on Russia to do more hacks?

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Reply #1184
Bit late for Trump to complain about leaks.  Isn't he the one who said he loves Wikileaks and publicly called on Russia to do more hacks?

Look
He's a shambles no doubt...
but it's a bit different when it's coming for within your own administration.
Now he needs to get on top of it.
That's his responsibility....but you also need to be able to trust those people under you in positions of responsibility.

I think we have to be careful that our own opinion of Trump doesn't fog our opinions of the forces against him because while there are many sound and reasoned arguments against his actions there are also some crackpots and obstructive folk out there on the other side as well.

Two wrongs don't make a right and in fact in some cases these attempts to undermine him may not play out well in the general population.