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Reply #1905 –
Quote from: LP – on
Do you think that it is appropriate for any Head of State, even if it is seemingly a worthless statement?

No.  Not when he didn't say it ...

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Reply #1906 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
There's no way out through the electoral process. Both Democrats and Republicans have been bought and owned by the corporate oligarchs and wealthy elites, and do what they're told. Biden will, if anything, be more acceptable to the powers that be, because he's not a vulgar, trash talking embarrassment like Trump. Don't expect Biden to make things much better for ordinary folks.
Biden wants to raise Corporate taxes during a recession(thats making money for the govt with high school economics), big business dont want him and wont work with him. The stock market is expected to fall 5% or more if Biden wins, you are going to see mass unemployment and companies taking their business offshore.
This will all flow onto us and keep Australia in recession, I dont like Trump anymore than most but Biden doesnt have any policies of note apart from keeping Obamacare and I cant see how the USA can recover under Biden from the economic and covid damage.

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Reply #1907 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Biden wants to raise Corporate taxes during a recession(thats making money for the govt with high school economics), big business dont want him and wont work with him. The stock market is expected to fall 5% or more if Biden wins, you are going to see mass unemployment and companies taking their business offshore.
This will all flow onto us and keep Australia in recession, I dont like Trump anymore than most but Biden doesnt have any policies of note apart from keeping Obamacare and I cant see how the USA can recover under Biden from the economic and covid damage.

Thats it in a nutshell.

The fix was in a long time ago.  The day Trump abolished capital gains tax, and took control of the Fed was the day he won the election.  The rest of it is all a lot of theatre to give people the illusion of choice.

If it really starts to look like he'll lose, keep your eyes on whats going on in Turkey, there will be an American base under fire and troops to send in quicker than you can say Uncle Sam, and no president has yet to lose an election during a war.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #1908 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Biden wants to raise Corporate taxes during a recession(thats making money for the govt with high school economics), big business dont want him and wont work with him. The stock market is expected to fall 5% or more if Biden wins, you are going to see mass unemployment and companies taking their business offshore.
This will all flow onto us and keep Australia in recession, I dont like Trump anymore than most but Biden doesnt have any policies of note apart from keeping Obamacare and I cant see how the USA can recover under Biden from the economic and covid damage.

Yes, he actually wants to increase corporate taxes from 0% to 1% Lol - so naturally all hell breaks loose. American corporate elites are a brood of vipers. The fact that they won't work with someone as far right as Biden tells you everything you need to know. Typical right wing scare tactics.

Very few people own stock, and the disconnect between Wall Street and Main Street economics increases all the time - there isn't zero connection, but it's not much.

Capitalist economies tank every 4-7 years on average. Sometimes it's a minor tank, sometimes it's very significant, like in 2000, 2008-09, and 2020. The longer the gap between crashes, the greater the intensity of the crash. There's many factors that affect stock markets - health crises, war crises, oil prices, collapse of governments etc. The standard solution is for the government to pour ridiculous amounts of money into corporations, big banks etc., which is supposed to "trickle down" to the working poor. But of course it rarely does, because the big boys can make more money on Wall Street than they can helping poor suffering slobs.

The system is broken, and no amount of band aid solutions, or fussing about a small percentage of tax here or there, is going to change that.
 

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Reply #1909 –
Corporate tax rates up from 21 to 28%, 12.4 %payroll tax, big pharma and other companies who leave the USA to get a punishment tax... Its high school economics to tax heavily in a recession. The broad picture is every worker with a super account or a 401k account is connected to the stockmarket, that's a high connect.
Stockmarkets move on sentiment in the main.. Governments usually stimulate economies by reducing interest rates, buy bonds both govt and corporate. Its true that money doesn't filter down to everyone but its about creating a environment for earnings and employment. I'm talking about fixing a recession and covid damage not fixing world poverty and equality. Don't think Biden is capable of either but Trump regardless of being a arrogant boofhead is a better bet to fix the former in the USA and not drag the rest of the world into a GFC.

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Reply #1910 –
Trump hit a home run (would have escaped many understandably ignorant of the subject) that he will reduce the prices of insulin to standard cheap world levels and hurt big pharma in the process.  A MASSIVE cost decrease (perhaps 90%) for many millions of American diabetics that don't have health care.  Biden had nothing to say about that.

A superb move. 

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Reply #1911 –
The other example which will get Trump plenty of votes is him raising postal voting being compromised.

Such a simple statement without fact resonates with the public.  They don't bother to think about it themselves, but 'if Trump says it, it must be true' and it could be plausible.

No one has yet worked out a simple rebuttal for these types of statements that stick and have such a wide-ranging effect.

Trump's insults also stick - true or not - eg he was talking about Biden being worst/second worst student in his year - saying he's not smart.  These resonate with the common person in the street.

Whatever you think of Trump, he is very shrewd.

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Reply #1912 –
Quote from: capcom – on
No.  Not when he didn't say it ...
Of course he did, as much as he said he can walk down the street and shoot someone without reprisal!

Saying "no" isn't evidence to the contrary, it's just a denial! ;D

Quote from: capcom – on
Trump hit a home run (would have escaped many understandably ignorant of the subject) that he will reduce the prices of insulin to standard cheap world levels and hurt big pharma in the process. 
What Trump giveth with one hand, he taketh with the other! ;)

The Red Man has a Red Right Hand! :o

I didn't think it was true initially but I'm starting to think it may be right. The idea that Trumps whole President episode is about buying time to try and rectifiy his personal financial crisis before the creditors come knocking on his door for $0.10c in the dollar! Has he really blown Daddy's fortune?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #1913 –
Trump didn't create the divisions in America.
His Presidency has just exposed and highlighted them.

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Reply #1914 –
Quote from: dodge – on
The other example which will get Trump plenty of votes is him raising postal voting being compromised.

Such a simple statement without fact resonates with the public.  They don't bother to think about it themselves, but 'if Trump says it, it must be true' and it could be plausible.

No one has yet worked out a simple rebuttal for these types of statements that stick and have such a wide-ranging effect.

Trump's insults also stick - true or not - eg he was talking about Biden being worst/second worst student in his year - saying he's not smart.  These resonate with the common person in the street.

Whatever you think of Trump, he is very shrewd.

There's a truck load of evidence that it's a compromised system....if one bothers to look for it.
Finals, then 4 in a row!

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Reply #1915 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Trump didn't create the divisions in America.
His Presidency has just exposed and highlighted them.
Yet, he's openly prepared to manipulate and strengthen them!

He is like the Anti-Churchhill, but all the while I suspect he thinks he is the same as Churchhill!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #1916 –
Quote from: capcom – on
Trump hit a home run (would have escaped many understandably ignorant of the subject) that he will reduce the prices of insulin to standard cheap world levels and hurt big pharma in the process.  A MASSIVE cost decrease (perhaps 90%) for many millions of American diabetics that don't have health care.  Biden had nothing to say about that.

A superb move. 

Problem is, no one will believe him. His administration has delivered hundreds of broken promises. And even his supporters know, deep down inside, that he's a bullshizener.

The only winner from their debate was profound disrespect for the process... and how childlike grown men can be. Nil all draw embarrassment.

Perhaps one thing we learned was that Biden sure doesn't have dementia ... actually when people see him pause and close his eyes for about a second he's simply going to the things he learned in speech pathology to combat his chronic stutter.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

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Reply #1917 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Trump didn't create the divisions in America.
His Presidency has just exposed and highlighted them.



True, but I'd add that he also feeds them.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

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Reply #1918 –
Quote from: LP – on
Of course he did, as much as he said he can walk down the street and shoot someone without reprisal!

Saying "no" isn't evidence to the contrary, it's just a denial! ;D

I'm not about to change my opinion LP.  For all his obvious faults, he's a light year in front of the addle brained Biden. 

 

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Reply #1919 –
Quote from: capcom – on
I'm not about to change my opinion LP.  For all his obvious faults, he's a light year in front of the addle brained Biden. 
Sorry, I didn't realise the USA was an autocracy, I thought it was a democracy.

I do not expect you to change your opinion, but I am surprised you think any of them are valid options!

You clearly boost Trump, how about criticising him for his reprehensible behaviour rather than defending it. You can do that and still argue he is a better option than his opponent, Trump fans do not have to brown-nose to be boosters!

That seems to be the biggest problem here, nobody on Trump's side of the debate seems to have enough wherewithal to call out his bad behaviour. Are they scared of him, or perhaps it's the Russian's they are scared of, Novichok anyone?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"