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Reply #2415 –
Quote from: Lods – on
As more votes roll in it seems the greater and more comfortable Biden's final margin will be.
That's in the best interests of America
The larger that is, the more likely a meltdown can be avoided.
Trump will continue to fire-up his hard-core supporters but without the energy of a result that can be overturned the fire may soon go out.

More moderate Republicans, especially lawmakers , will now need to reposition themselves with an eye to the future.
There are mid-term elections only 2 years away.
That's not a huge amount of time to carry out repairs.
There will be a concerted effort 'to take back the party' and rid itself of the Trump influence.
That could be a bit of a turbulent and interesting time as forces on the far right will be very resistant.

It’s hard to know what to expect Lods.  For many supporters of the POTUS, the larger Biden’s winning margin is just means that the electoral fraud was greater.  However, it’s good to see some senior Republicans having a crack at the POTUS for trashing America’s system of democracy.  That’s exactly the outcome that foreign government meddling is intended to achieve so Putin, Rouhani, etc will be very happy with the POTUS’s spoilt child behaviour.

I learnt last night that, at least in some states, the Governor can direct their electoral college voters to vote for the candidate other the one who won the state ballot  :o

It is a strange system.  Dropping the colleges for direct election of the president would be a step in the right direction.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #2416 –
We really won't know the extent of any reaction until the result is declared.
That may be the trigger for some of the more aggressive responses.
The more Republican leaders that distance themselves from Trump's comments and 'stay put' stance the better.

I cant see any change of the system from the Electoral college to a popular vote in the near future so it's not worth spending too much time thinking it might occur.
The college system generally delivers the same result anyway.
There may be some push though to standardise rules and procedures across the states.

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Reply #2417 –
Quote from: Lods – on
More moderate Republicans, especially lawmakers , will now need to reposition themselves with an eye to the future.
There are mid-term elections only 2 years away.
That's not a huge amount of time to carry out repairs.
There will be a concerted effort 'to take back the party' and rid itself of the Trump influence.
That could be a bit of a turbulent and interesting time as forces on the far right will be very resistant.
Perhaps, Lods. I hope so. A contrary school of thought is that Trump might lose but he has dragged a lot of vulnerable down ballot Republicans across the line by generating huge turnout (the 2nd highest in history, beaten only by Biden). As a result, the GOP has held on to the Senate, flipped some House seats, preserved Republican State legislatures etc. etc. It may be that Republicans in Congress are grateful to Trump. If Trump keeps floating a run for President in 2024, Trump may well preserve his base and be able to punish Republicans who reject him. Add to this that he may well build his own media presence (possibly setting up a Trump media entity), Republicans will be hesitant to cross him. As the old saying goes, don’t laugh at the crocodile until you’re over the bridge.

Did anyone see the story on the news.com.au site that Putin may be forced to retire because of Parkinson’s? If true, wow!

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Reply #2418 –
Quote from: Mav – on
Did anyone see the story on the news.com.au site that Putin may be forced to retire because of Parkinson’s? If true, wow!

Yep, I saw that.  Will be fascinating to see how that develops and on all fronts.  Winds of political change are at an all time high, certainly in recent times

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Reply #2419 –
Quote from: capcom – on
Yep, I saw that.  Will be fascinating to see how that develops and on all fronts.  Winds of political change are at an all time high, certainly in recent times
Meh, another scum bucket will just step in.
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Reply #2420 –
Interesting thoughts from 1 commentator. Mitch McConnell wouldn’t even have to think if he were given a choice of undermining democracy or losing the Senate majority. To secure the Senate majority, he needs 1 and peferably both of the Senate runoff elections in Georgia to go in favour of the GOP. Turnout was massive in Georgia as it was everywhere else but will Republican turnout collapse when the runoff elections are held in the New Year? McConnell desperately needs Trump to turn out his base to avoid this.

If GOP Senators slap Trump down for attacking the vote without any evidence, Trump may fixate on betrayal by Republicans rather than those nasty Democrats. He may seek revenge by withholding his support from Purdue and Loeffler. He might even tell his base not to bother to vote. On the other hand, if the GOP supports his efforts to undo his loss, he may believe he has a chance of staying in power and he’d want to ensure the Republicans pad their Senate majority. At the very least, they could keep Trump engaged rather than petulantly staying on the golf course at Maralago. We all know he loves a rally and that would help McConnell.

If this analysis is correct, forget about the GOP talking Trump down from his rampage. They want him to maintain the rage.

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Reply #2421 –
I guess the problem for that scenario is that it only works if all those Georgia Republican voters want Trump to keep fighting.

I suspect there are probably many who voted for Trump who will now be thinking that it's time to let it go.
That's certainly a message coming from some of the prominent  Republicans.
Continuing to fight may be counter productive.

It could be a dammed if you do, dammed if you don't situation.
It's doubtful they'll get many Democrats to change their vote
They may get some that didn't vote coming out, but probably not in great numbers.
Some will be turned off by Trump' antics

It's a dilemma.
Keep the rage going, or get some clean air and hope the electorate look to provide a balance to a Democrat President.
But in the latter situation you'll alienate the Trump base.
What you're likely to end up with is a split in opinions that will greatly advantage the Democrats.

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Reply #2422 –
Quote from: Mav – on
Did anyone see the story on the news.com.au site that Putin may be forced to retire because of Parkinson’s? If true, wow!
If true he is a dead man walking, the security services won't risk him growing senile and saying something wrong, he'll cop a dose of his own Novichok!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #2423 –
It's looking like a Biden heading towards a whitewash victory, my faith in American democracy is partially restored, ............for now!

But there are two short term issues to overcome, Trump has been putting things in place for a long time now to cause insurrection to trigger extreme powers, and to take control the Supreme Court so that he can lawyer up. Both are backup moves for a horrible election failure, a failure they obviously knew was coming.

But this election Victory to Biden is stark, it's definitive, all Biden needs is patience and the US public will do the work for him!

If Trump tries to burn down the house the US public should drag him out of the Whitehouse by his shirt collar, it might even be safer for him to emigrate, wouldn't that be ironic!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #2424 –
Quote from: LP – on
It's looking like a Biden heading towards a whitewash victory, my faith in American democracy is partially restored, ............for now!

But there are two short term issues to overcome, Trump has been putting things in place for a long time now to cause insurrection to trigger extreme powers, and to take control the Supreme Court so that he can lawyer up. Both are backup moves for a horrible election failure, a failure they obviously knew was coming.

But this election Victory to Biden is stark, it's definitive, all Biden needs is patience and the US public will do the work for him!

If Trump tries to burn down the house the US public should drag him out of the Whitehouse by his shirt collar, it might even be safer for him to emigrate, wouldn't that be ironic!
Senate will be the problem , be either a Republican majority or a deal job with the lesser lights and that never works.

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Reply #2425 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Senate will be the problem , be either a Republican majority or a deal job with the lesser lights and that never works.
Maybe, it's not clear yet, and I believe several out of sync elections will make seats available in the early New Year.

On the House, in the last few days I think Biden has found Trump's kryptonite, you just pity him and it leaves Trump powerless and angry. He just gets angry and the lack of response gives him nowhere to go with his usual threats and litigious nature. Somebody who doesn't bite but just communicates how pathetic Trump's circumstance and nature is, leaves Donald with no response, Trump can't handle pity he needs scorn to survive!

Biden is like the parent calmly responding to a kids tantrum, he has picked Trump up, sat him on a knee and talked quietly and calmly to him, before giving him a hug and still saying no! I wonder if this tactic was developed from the profile exposed in the book published by Trump's niece?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #2426 –
Biden didn't do anything. Covid (Ultimately China lol) beat Trump.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #2427 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Biden didn't do anything. Covid (Ultimately China lol) beat Trump.
Yes, Donald was very unlucky, very very unlucky, it's so sad, if only things had been different, anyway what can he do, the world goes on, you win some you lose some!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"
 

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Reply #2428 –
Quote from: LP – on
Yes, Donald was very unlucky, very very unlucky, it's so sad, if only things had been different, anyway what can he do, the world goes on, you win some you lose some!

If the dems put up a decent candidate they wouldn't have needed a plague.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #2429 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Biden didn't do anything. Covid (Ultimately China lol) beat Trump.

When your opponent is a child, if you're smart then you say and do very little, you let the infant throw the tantrums and say the stupid stuff and they hang themselves. Just chime in with an adult word here and there, that should do it.

Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17