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Reply #2925 –
Hilary called on all democrats and the public to never accept the result of the vote in 2020.

Trump asks obvious questions?  Sore loser.  Pathetic


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Reply #2926 –
Quote from: Mav – on
MBB, have you heard the gossip that Trump plans to start his own party? If so, you’d think Republicans will be thinking the enemy of our enemy is our friend ...

I wonder if the Republicans, should the Orange One succeed at starting a new political party, would be concerned he could take the far right lunies away from them! And that would mean political oblivion for the Republicans... I wonder if that plays a part in their impeachment thinking.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

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Reply #2927 –
Quote from: DJC – on
The attitude of senior Republicans towards the ex-POTUS has hardened considerably since he placed them in harm’s way.

They didn't want him until he beat them all, now he's finished they don't need him.

2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #2928 –
Quote from: DJC – on
And Biden was hardly an inspiring, popular candidate!  To paraphrase Bill Hayden, a drover’s dog could have led the Democrats to victory.

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Whatever other issues beset the Democrats in 2016, underestimating Trump was one of the biggest. He is very popular with a certain part of the American population, no doubt about it.

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Reply #2929 –
Quote from: Lods – on
I see the point, but Biden and Clinton's popularity is not really relevant when assessing Trump's popularity.
Bill down  the street has more friends than I do...that doesn't mean I'm not popular...and am gathering new friends.
Sure the Democratic candidates attracted a lot more of the popular vote but...
Trump should have gone down in a screaming heap, voters should have deserted him in droves (and many did), but somehow he increased his vote by about 10 million.
That's ten million extra  people who were either satisfied with the way he was doing his job or were concerned about the alternative.
Now the fact that more folks turned out means both sides go up in numbers, but that doesn't negate the concerning reality that there was some factor that meant Trump attracted more people to vote for him than voted for him in 2016.
Trump's popularity claims (like most of his estimates) are over the top but how popular was he?..about 74 million (I suspect it's dropped a bit since November.)
You would think that the Democratic Party would be looking at those numbers with a little interest, and not dismissing them in the euphoria of victory in planning the next couple of years.

I suspect we are discussing two different things Lods. Your focus is that Trump picked up lots of additional votes this time around (when he should have picked up none), but my focus is that no matter how many popular votes he receives, he's never won the actual popular vote. We (as in Carlton) could score 100 points per game, which in and of itself is impressive, and a big jump from previous years. But it matters little if the opp is scoring 120.

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Reply #2930 –
Quote from: capcom – on
Hilary called on all democrats and the public to never accept the result of the vote in 2020.

Trump asks obvious questions?  Sore loser.  Pathetic

Where did she say that ?
 

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Reply #2932 –
Quote from: capcom – on
Paul.  Here.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/hillary-clinton-says-biden-should-not-concede-2020-election-under-n1238156

Hmm. I've read that three times, and I don't see any reference to not accepting voting results. To my eyes, she is urging Biden to not concede until all votes are counted, and to take up the fight with manpower, legal processes and the way Biden comports himself, all in response to baseless claims and bully boy tactics. 

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Reply #2933 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Hmm. I've read that three times, and I don't see any reference to not accepting voting results. To my eyes, she is urging Biden to not concede until all votes are counted, and to take up the fight with manpower, legal processes and the way Biden comports himself, all in response to baseless claims and bully boy tactics. 

That's the way I read it too.  Interestingly, Aurangzeb did pretty much as Clinton predicted ... not that you'd have to be a genius to foresee that  ::)
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

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Reply #2934 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
They didn't want him until he beat them all, now he's finished they don't need him.

I think that it's more that they want to get on and have a clear shot at the next election.  That's not going to happen if he is making noises about standing again.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

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Reply #2935 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Nothing surer LP.  If Kamala Harris takes office during Biden's regime, the Republicans will win the next election easily.
I doubt that will be true, the GOP allegedly tried to make it hard for African and Hispanic Americans to have a influential vote this time around and failed dismally.

 I suspect if Harris is running for President it'll be ten times worse for the GOP next election. I see the GOP as representing the old ways and to me they are currently kicking and screaming against being led to their own inevitable extinction! I think it's a big mistake to think Trump is their man, and after this election I suspect he'll get a real taste of politics.

I realise some from the GOP side will claim this was a people's movement, but actually that ignores what is happening on the other side of politics which is equally active and in fact more active which can't be denied. At the moment the news media and social media chose to profit from the GOP side, as it's more radical and aggression makes better ratings, but the news and social media got a taste of what happens when the GOP radicals are set free to target them incited at the hands of a nutter, and they were left shaken! The GOP won't get that support next time, and they won't trust Trump or a Trump type not to go down that path again!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #2936 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Hmm. I've read that three times, and I don't see any reference to not accepting voting results. To my eyes, she is urging Biden to not concede until all votes are counted, and to take up the fight with manpower, legal processes and the way Biden comports himself, all in response to baseless claims and bully boy tactics. 
You are missing the Trump interpretation / translation. ;D
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #2937 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Where did she say that ?


“Joe Biden should not concede under any circumstances, because I think this is going to drag out, and eventually I do believe he will win if we don't give an inch, and if we are as focused and relentless as the other side is,”

So, can we infer that she is inciting him not to concede under any circumstance because he will win if they dont give an inch?

Or are we going to change what she said because we only infer meaning into comments from the other?

I merely point these things out because I see people deciding to infer in one case, and taking the literal meaning in the other.

(yes I have written that disclaimer deliberately because if we apply the same inference to these words as we do Trump we should arrive at the same conclusion, yet somehow, we don't and I have no issue with what either stated).
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #2938 –
It's a lexical point, but "should not concede" is far from and not the same as "never accept the result of the vote ........ ".

The first is a quote, .................. I think the second is what British media describe as a verbal! ;D

A concession happens during counting not after it, after counting if you lose you are a loser, always was and always will be. You can't concede after you've lost, doing so is almost the dictionary definition of vacuous.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #2939 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Hmm. I've read that three times, and I don't see any reference to not accepting voting results. To my eyes, she is urging Biden to not concede until all votes are counted, and to take up the fight with manpower, legal processes and the way Biden comports himself, all in response to baseless claims and bully boy tactics. 

Perhaps she misspoke.  Anyway, Biden is in for one tough ride, exactly as he should be