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Reply #2985 –
Unless you live there really what would you know?
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #2986 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Unless you live there really what would you know?
I know injecting disinfectant is deadly without needing to try it!

I wasn't alive during WW-II but I know Hitler was an a55hole, or is that just more fake news! ;)

I also know all perspectives, opinions and opposites are not equal.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #2987 –
Quote from: Macca37 – on
What I find most depressing is the fact that when faced with the clearest choice at the election between a candidate promising to restore normality to the country and a self absorbed, lying, narcissistic president clearly prepared to tear up the constitution to remain in power, more than ninety million voters could not be bothered getting off their backsides to cast their vote.

When that number is added to the seventy million angry white, gun toting, illiterate and semi-literate Trumpers , the magnitude of the task facing Biden appears almost insurmountable.

There's also the very determined campaign by the GoP to discourage and/or disqualify folk from voting and the US system  makes it hard for folk to vote.  Prior to COVID, almost all voting had to be done in person and that means taking time off work (or other pursuits) and standing in a line for a couple of hours.  The increased voter turnout this time was probably due as much to greater ease of voting as it was to getting your man elected ... or the other bloke defeated.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #2988 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
It's not a clear choice, that's the problem.

I post on an American sports forum and last election a poster there who was one of the first members of the BLM group shocked the whole forum by saying he couldn't vote for Hillary as she was despicable and that he wasn't voting. Another member asked gun to your head Trump or Clinton and he said Trump.
That just shows we can’t treat subsets of the population as monoliths. There’ll be complexity and surprises. As an example, Muhammad Ali would have been at the head of BLM marches if he’d been around and yet he met with the Ku Klux Klan and accepted awards from them. Anti-Semite Christian Identity believers are strong supporters of Israel (if only because they long for the start of a race war). In this last election, it was noted that young black men were flirting with the idea of voting for Trump as they felt the Democrats were taking the black vote for granted.

Then you have the tendency for far left and far right activists to go to war with the moderates on their wing. The Tea Party and Trumpists have tried to kill off moderates like Flake and Romney while in  Australia the Greens are always on the lookout for the chance to bring the ALP to its knees. When they voted against Kevin Rudd’s ETS scheme, they killed his government and set the stage for a decade of Liberal governments which have done nothing on climate change. Maybe there was an aspect of the Greens letting the perfect be the enemy of the good, but I think this was just a pathetic political ploy.

I could definitely see why a BLM activist would have been underwhelmed by Hillary. Only in the US would she be seen as left-wing. She’s probably a US version of Johnny Howard or Maggie Thatcher and was a Republican before she met Bill. Her election would have brought progress for women but she probably wouldn’t have gone out of her way for the black community. That was pretty well demonstrated by her safe VP pick: Sen. Tim Kaine, a largely unknown moderate southern white guy. It probably was better for BLM to have an arch-nemesis in Trump who exemplified the racism they were fighting rather than Hillary sweeping the issue under the carpet.

And we have to accept that the constant smears spread by the Republicans probably did make Hillary unelectable for many. We’ve seen that Trump managed to persuade 30% or so of the US population that the election was stolen from him even though there has been absolutely no evidence of it. You look back in wonder that the Republicans were able to paint Hillary as corrupt with a bunch of concocted scandals from Benghazi to her emails to the Clinton Foundation to innuendo she was a serial killer. But bullcrape works.

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Reply #2989 –
I generally agree Mav. The internet is full of individual opinions which get construed as broadly held beliefs, or justifications for disliking someone. Someone on the other side hates the same person you hate, so you must be right.

I'm not really a fan of the Bill/Hilary/Obama/Biden faction of the Democrats. I've been reading about Biden's pledges and policies, and it all sounds pretty good. If he can carry them out, the US will be the better for it. But my concern is that we saw this under Obama - pretty rhetoric, but very little genuine action to wrest power and wealth away from Wall Street and back into Main St.

There's little in Biden's history to suggest he has even a mildly progressive agenda. I'll be watching with interest.

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Reply #2991 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
There's little in Biden's history to suggest he has even a mildly progressive agenda. I'll be watching with interest.

So far he’s making our Scotty from marketing seem like a pillar of the religious right rump :)
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #2992 –
Quote from: DJC – on
So far he’s making our Scotty from marketing seem like a pillar of the religious right rump :)

Yes perhaps, but that's not a great standard.

I listen to Chris Hedges, Richard Wolff and Noam Chomsky as much as I can. Both Hedges and Wolff say there is limited scope for improving the lives of most Americans under Biden. Chomsky seems to believe that Biden is pliable, and with enough pressure from the average American (protests etc.), he can be pushed in a more progressive direction. If this pressure doesn't occur, Chomsky believes he will follow a similar path to the Clintons and Obama (i.e not great).

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Reply #2993 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Yes perhaps, but that's not a great standard.

I listen to Chris Hedges, Richard Wolff and Noam Chomsky as much as I can. Both Hedges and Wolff say there is limited scope for improving the lives of most Americans under Biden. Chomsky seems to believe that Biden is pliable, and with enough pressure from the average American (protests etc.), he can be pushed in a more progressive direction. If this pressure doesn't occur, Chomsky believes he will follow a similar path to the Clintons and Obama (i.e not great).

I think there's limited scope for any president to improve the lives of most Americans.

The Dems do have flimsy minorities and individual senators and congresspersons will oppose Biden's laws if they think it will cost them their job.  Biden also has to manage a very conservative population, both in terms of politics and opposition to change of any sort.  It's also a population that thinks Bernie Sanders is a socialist  ::)  

Biden is off to a decent start by re-signing up to the Paris accord, re-committing to the WHO, beginning to wind back Aurangzeb's environmental vandalism and taking COVID seriously, but it's going to be a long, slow four years.

I heard an American political commentator state that fixing the problems is not Biden's job, it's the responsibility of the people.  If the people don't want change, it won't happen.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #2994 –
I think Trump was right about the WHO and its role in the pandemic, slow to react, whitewashed China's slow response to sharing data and also took their time to admit there was a world crisis. On China's demands they ignored Taiwanese Doctors who were blowing the whistle on what was really happening ,of course China is the WHO's second biggest contributor and looking for a big stake in the world of big pharma. Trump might have been playing games to cover up his own failings but the WHO needs an overhaul and the umbelical cord to China cut and Biden should have waited IMO before re-committing to such a dodgy organisation.
 

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Reply #2995 –
Don't start me on the U.N.  >:D

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Reply #2996 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
I think Trump was right about the WHO and its role in the pandemic, slow to react, whitewashed China's slow response to sharing data and also took their time to admit there was a world crisis. On China's demands they ignored Taiwanese Doctors who were blowing the whistle on what was really happening ,of course China is the WHO's second biggest contributor and looking for a big stake in the world of big pharma. Trump might have been playing games to cover up his own failings but the WHO needs an overhaul and the umbelical cord to China cut and Biden should have waited IMO before re-committing to such a dodgy organisation.

Aurangzeb pulled out of WHO simply because it wasn’t in step with his agenda and doing so helped fuel his COVID conspiracy theories and cover up his inadequate response.

The WHO might have some problems but I would put my trust in WHO well before Aurangzeb’s administration and the PRC, as well as Brazil and the other unfortunate nations with populist rulers, and Sweden for that matter 🙄
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #2997 –
There is some irony in those GOP claims that COVID was false or fake news.

Now we know Trump made those claims by using graphs and charts that his team had faked, not the graphs and charts he'd been supplied by the CDC!

All those claims of fake news, ....... it truly does turn out to be the case that the smeller is the fella!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #2998 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Aurangzeb pulled out of WHO simply because it wasn’t in step with his agenda and doing so helped fuel his COVID conspiracy theories and cover up his inadequate response.

The WHO might have some problems but I would put my trust in WHO well before Aurangzeb’s administration and the PRC, as well as Brazil and the other unfortunate nations with populist rulers, and Sweden for that matter 🙄
I wouldnt trust any of the above....

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Reply #2999 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
I think Trump was right about the WHO and its role in the pandemic, slow to react, whitewashed China's slow response to sharing data and also took their time to admit there was a world crisis. On China's demands they ignored Taiwanese Doctors who were blowing the whistle on what was really happening ,of course China is the WHO's second biggest contributor and looking for a big stake in the world of big pharma. Trump might have been playing games to cover up his own failings but the WHO needs an overhaul and the umbelical cord to China cut and Biden should have waited IMO before re-committing to such a dodgy organisation.
The world needs to cut the umbilical cord to China. Farken disgrace they are.
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