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The way the lunatic left carry on you would think America created covid and Trump was covering it up.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!
 

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Reply #3002 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
The way the lunatic left carry on you would think America created covid and Trump was covering it up.

Serious question. What exactly is the lunatic left and more specifically, who are they?
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Anyone who believes in Medicare for all. Only communists believe in that.

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Quote from: Baggers – on
Serious question. What exactly is the lunatic left and more specifically, who are they?

IMO, at a very broad level, it's basically used for anyone you don't like. More specifically, it applies to anyone ideologically or otherwise connected to Labor, the Greens, the Unions etc. And anyone who disagrees with Fox News and Mango Mussolini.

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https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/trump-loses-lead-impeachment-lawyers-a-week-before-trial-20210131-p56y6o.html

Donald must be starting to feel very lonely.  The orange overalls will match his tan.
This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

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Reply #3006 –
Thank you, Wing Man Mav - sharp observation. Thank you, Pauly - spot on. Same page.
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Quote from: Mav – on
Anyone who believes in Medicare for all. Only communists believe in that.
Paul Keating?

It's appalling that very wealthy individuals can end up being treated on the public purse for conditions they could easily self-fund or insure themselves, but how do you actually stop it?

But Medicare and funds like it have a genuine place to both enable access to health care and to help fund it. Most who globally oppose it fall in the "I'm alright Jack" category, and have zero regard for those who need genuine help.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Quote from: Mav – on
Anyone who believes in Medicare for all. Only communists believe in that.
Healthcare is not a commodity to be bought and sold by the wealthiest.  The further a country heads down the 'user pays' road, the more likely that social division and anarchy will escalate.

The reason this country has a relatively harmonious society is because people get taken care of.  Many would argue the care is too generous, but the alternative of a US-style fend-for-yourself system brings a bigger set of problems IMHO.
This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

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Quote from: tonyo – on
Healthcare is not a commodity to be bought and sold by the wealthiest.  The further a country heads down the 'user pays' road, the more likely that social division and anarchy will escalate.

The reason this country has a relatively harmonious society is because people get taken care of.  Many would argue the care is too generous, but the alternative of a US-style fend-for-yourself system brings a bigger set of problems IMHO.

I agree, but beware the small government, cost cutting, neo liberal types, who have been slowly but surely whittling away at this "being taken care of" for decades.

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You need people paying private to take the load off the public system. Its a balancing act, the private system also provides technologies the public can't afford but can access. The private system also trains the next group of specialists under the guidance of what are usually the better skilled private specialists learning the latest techniques.
If you want a fully public system of quality then the government need to double the funding to the public system and charge joe average more medicare levy.

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Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
You need people paying private to take the load off the public system. Its a balancing act, the private system also provides technologies the public can't afford but can access. The private system also trains the next group of specialists under the guidance of what are usually the better skilled private specialists learning the latest techniques.
If you want a fully public system of quality then the government need to double the funding to the public system and charge joe average more medicare levy.

Sorry, I don't agree that the Private health system is more advanced than the Public in this country .  The Private system tends to pick and choose what sort of healthcare it provides based on what is financially sustainable, for example it is happy to do knee repairs on footballers because the outcome (and hence the cost) is very predictable.   But when it comes to things like little old ladies with broken hips, they tend to shy away simply because it is more difficult healthcare to provide and manage (they send these patients down to the Public hospital who are glad to admit them immediately as 'private' patients).

Many Private medicos still work in the Public system, since this is where they are more likely to have access to cutting-edge technology and research.  Governments love buying the latest gizmos (the bigger the better), simply because it gives the pollies a chance to stand next to it on the Sunday news.  Privates won't invest until they know they will make money out of it.
This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

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Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
You need people paying private to take the load off the public system. Its a balancing act, the private system also provides technologies the public can't afford but can access. The private system also trains the next group of specialists under the guidance of what are usually the better skilled private specialists learning the latest techniques.
If you want a fully public system of quality then the government need to double the funding to the public system and charge joe average more medicare levy.


They could just tax the top 1% properly and pay for it that way. No need for Joe Average to be charged anymore.

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An investment in healthcare and education is an investment in society.

Anyone who thinks otherwise about those things, needs to really have a good hard think about what type of country they want to live in, and what it could look like if everything becomes a matter of survival of the fittest.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Quote from: tonyo – on
Sorry, I don't agree that the Private health system is more advanced than the Public in this country .  The Private system tends to pick and choose what sort of healthcare it provides based on what is financially sustainable, for example it is happy to do knee repairs on footballers because the outcome (and hence the cost) is very predictable.   But when it comes to things like little old ladies with broken hips, they tend to shy away simply because it is more difficult healthcare to provide and manage (they send these patients down to the Public hospital who are glad to admit them immediately as 'private' patients).

Many Private medicos still work in the Public system, since this is where they are more likely to have access to cutting-edge technology and research.  Governments love buying the latest gizmos (the bigger the better), simply because it gives the pollies a chance to stand next to it on the Sunday news.  Privates won't invest until they know they will make money out of it.
Have to disagree, you get cross over with extreme specialty areas like neurosurgery as they are in short supply and work in teams
in both systems but in other areas you get grad doctors and grad specialists in the public system and thats the B grade team.
Example, my daughter needed reconstructive hand surgery after a dog attack left one of her hands mutilated.
The plastics team at a Western Suburb public hospital fecked up the repair as well as failing to deal with the infection that had set in due to the delay in being treated, the grad specialist said it could wait a couple of days...?
End result was we had to take her to a City based Private Group of Hand Surgeons on referral, only they had the micro surgery skill level to repair the nerve/tendon damage and deal with the infection, one of her fingers is now shorter but at least she has a working hand.