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Reply #3585 –
Quote from: Lods – on
I don't think folks watch it for any reason other than the spectacle.
If you have an interest in politics, how it works, how it can be manipulated and how it can influence our lives... you watch.
It not about who has the best policies, it's about who performs best because in the end policy counts for absolutely nothing unless you win the election.
You can have the best policies in the world, but if you're not in a position to implement them, they're useless.

In my opinion Harris won the debate clearly.
Do we know a lot more about her policies and how they would differ from Biden's
Nope.
She was a bit vague, using some 'facts' out of context, but not as many as Trump who basically told a few 'porkies.'
What we do know is that she stood toe to toe with Trump and more than matched him.
So in terms of the election it must have had some benefit however minimal.
Does that matter to us?
Of course it does.
Like it or not what happens in the USA affects us and the rest of the world.
America would be very different places under Trump as opposed to Harris.

America will be different under Trump for some people, but for the majority it won't matter. Democrats have hitched their wagon to identity politics, so you may see a little improvement on abortion, LGBT issues etc., but anything that negatively impacts their corporate donors (the same corporate donors for both parties) won't change. The twp parties are virtually identical on anything to do with fossil fuel, big pharma, banking etc.

The GOP under Trump are basically the Democrats with the mask of civility ripped off, and the crudeness, vulgarity and crassness of corporate America has been laid bare for all to see.

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Reply #3586 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
The GOP under Trump are basically the Democrats with the mask of civility ripped off, and the crudeness, vulgarity and crassness of corporate America has been laid bare for all to see.
I'm not sure it's fair to paint everyone with the same brush, it may even be as extreme as those under criticism.

But it's open season on the contradictions, the problems in the USA are primarily corporate and / or religion.

For example, I know of a researcher working on a cure for anaemia, it involves the use of CRISPR. The budget for the development of CRISPR was about US$2M total, it took several years. Compared to historical methods CRISPR costs almost nothing, yet a treatment for anaemia in the USA will cost you(as a single individual) US$2M. That is the whole multi-year budget of the R&D that lead to the CRISPR invention in the first place. Most of that US$2M cost is profiteering and legal liabilities, hardly any of it goes to the scientists and medical professionals involved in the treatment, the direct material cost is effectively zero, you can make a batch of a cure and send it soaked into a piece of paper by mail to the medical centre conducting the treatment at the cost of a postage stamp. So the direct cost a treatment would currently be 1/50th of that asking price, the materials, people, hospital stay, post care, etc., etc., and it is a cost rapidly falling as those with the capability and knowledge to do the treatment grows.

Much of the legal cost comes out defending court cases driven by religious ideology, or profiteering of risk / liability, which also forms the basis of much of the politics.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #3587 –
It’s interesting how the Republicans and Democrats have changed/evolved.  The Republicans were the progressives who were opposed to slavery.  The Democrats were pro-slavery and allied with the KKK - although prominent Republicans were also KKK members.

I guess we’ve seen similar at home with the Liberal Party becoming far more conservative than the party Menzies founded.  Labor has always had a wide range of philosophies but is now firmly centre-left.  Of course, that’s nothing like the dramatic changes undergone by the US parties … but we’ve never had a civil war to hone our politics.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #3588 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Labor has always had a wide range of philosophies but is now firmly centre-left.
I think that's a generous description, there is very little centre remaining in either the left or the right of Aussie politics.

On the extremes. I have an associate who copped a water bottle in the head yesterday leaving the (Land Forces Expo)IWE. He was there because he is funded by the military to develop life saving "In the Field" 3D printed scaffolds for on the spot use in emergency medicine, like skull cap or bone graft scaffolds. Of course the military will pay for the all the R&D, but the main recipients of the commercialised technology will mostly likely be people in the 3rd World or Disaster zones. Ironically, if he'd been hit with something a bit harder than a water bottle, like some of the rocks and brick being randomly thrown, he might well have become a recipient of his own technology.

btw., I thought the gutless mask wearing at public protests was banned in Victoria, it seems to be making a comeback?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #3589 –
Quote from: LP – on
I think that's a generous description, there is very little centre remaining in either the left or the right of Aussie politics.

On the extremes. I have an associate who copped a water bottle in the head yesterday leaving the (Land Forces Expo)IWE. He was there because he is funded by the military to develop life saving "In the Field" 3D printed scaffolds for on the spot use in emergency medicine, like skull cap or bone graft scaffolds. Of course the military will pay for the all the R&D, but the main recipients of the commercialised technology will mostly likely be people in the 3rd World or Disaster zones. Ironically, if he'd been hit with something a bit harder than a water bottle, like some of the rocks and brick being randomly thrown, he might well have become a recipient of his own technology.

btw., I thought the gutless mask wearing at public protests was banned in Victoria, it seems to be making a comeback?

By all measures, the ALP is a centre-left party with probably more right-leaning parliamentarians than left-leaning.  The Greens have largely captured the left.

Mask wearing isn't and has never been banned in Victoria.  VicPol and PSOs have the authority to require people in designated areas to remove face coverings, but it is a very limited power.

I get that people want to demonstrate against war, and particularly in the context of Israel's disproportionate response to Hamas, but surely peaceful, orderly protests with a clever hook would be more effective ... and it would be nice if they devoted some time and energy to protest against Putin's invasion of Ukraine.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #3590 –
Go protest overseas ,stop chucking stuff at our cops and their horses and let our Drs/Nurses etc get to work by not blocking the roads, we have no influence on Israel or Russia and never will have, as for Israel's response to Hamas ...what were they expecting a quiet diplomatic protest from Israel? It was always going to be quick , nasty and with interest attached and given the nature of events I can understand why its been disproportionate.

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Reply #3591 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
............. as for Israel's response to Hamas ...what were they expecting a quiet diplomatic protest from the Israel? It was always going to be quick , nasty and with interest attached and given the nature of events I can understand why its been disproportionate.
There are many who profit heavily from war on both sides of the strip, the will to resolve the conflict is weak.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #3592 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Go protest overseas ,stop chucking stuff at our cops and their horses and let our Drs/Nurses etc get to work by not blocking the roads, we have no influence on Israel or Russia and never will have, as for Israel's response to Hamas ...what were they expecting a quiet diplomatic protest from the Israel? It was always going to be quick , nasty and with interest attached and given the nature of events I can understand why its been disproportionate.
I was ashamed to call myself Melbournian/Australian yesterday. Protest all you like, just do it peacefully (especially when you are protesting for peace FFS). When you cover your faces, behave like animals and pelt all sorts of things at police, you forfeit the right to protest and should be locked up IMO. Imbeciles.
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Reply #3593 –
Another assassination attempt on Trump.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #3594 –
Doubt it will be the last. ::)

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Reply #3595 –
Trump's MAGA crew are claiming the Democrats are trying to kill him, are they that stupid they think the Democrats want the GOP to choose a different potentially better opponent? Even MAGA people are face-palming at Trump rallies now!

Trump's own people no longer want him, he's in big trouble if he doesn't accept the writing on the wall.

Trump owes big money to his most serious opponents, they get 4/5ths of feck all if someone offs him, the big dollar people need Trump to be held accountable for his financial crimes! It's much much harder to go after his estate, which begs the question, could it be an inside job, could somebody on the inside be trying to preserve the family inheritance?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #3596 –
If it was the other way around they would be blaming Trump.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #3597 –
Trump's crew are out claiming he luckily avoided shots, and it now appears the "shots heard" were Secret Service operatives shooting the at the bloke carrying the rifle.

Have the GOP learned that someone taking a potshot at Trump boosts his figures?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #3598 –
Quote from: LP – on
Trump's crew are out claiming he luckily avoided shots, and it now appears the "shots heard" were Secret Service operatives shooting the at the bloke carrying the rifle.

Have the GOP learned that someone taking a potshot at Trump boosts his figures?

You really are a conspiracy theorist aren't you LP.

Well at least on some topics.

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Reply #3599 –
Quote from: LP – on
Trump's crew are out claiming he luckily avoided shots, and it now appears the "shots heard" were Secret Service operatives shooting the at the bloke carrying the rifle.

Have the GOP learned that someone taking a potshot at Trump boosts his figures?
Who needs a debate to prove your worth as POTUS....... just go out and dodge some nutters with AK47s.

But how quick did they spot and capture this guy - anyone would think they already knew he was going to be there......  :-X
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