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Reply #3705 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Its just that after a while you give up trying to have a balanced discussion
I restrict my balanced discussions to only those that contain facts, it's a problematic stance when discussing Trump given we can only talk about his lies, because pretty much everything he states has a real world not fake counterpoint. ;)

At least we aren't light on subject matter! ;D

Can you think of anything Trump's done or said that wasn't a lie or fake, something hopefully, at least then we can have a balanced chat?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #3706 –
Homeless stats in the USA          https://www.security.org/resources/homeless-statistics/
3.1 Million folk(2022 figures) were living in RV's and Vans which wouldnt be in those above figures either and those stats would have increased in 2024. Having a home is becoming a privilege rather than a right in many countries, dont think Trump or Kamala are going to fix the homeless problem in the USA or Albanese or Dutton in Aus.

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Reply #3707 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Homeless stats in the USA          https://www.security.org/resources/homeless-statistics/
Yes it's a global problem, except in countries where people just randomly disappear.

The main technical problem with the bulk of the reports seems to be that the figures aren't collected by a Federal authority, but submitted by states that use widely varying methods to generate estimates.

I'd expect them to vastly under-estimated given most surveys are only completed in and around major cities. The recent sudden jump though is explained by the removal of COVID moratoriums, in that regard some of those figures will be coming out of defaulting rent or mortgage cases.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #3708 –
Quote from: LP – on
Yes it's a global problem, except in countries where people just randomly disappear.

The main technical problem with the bulk of the reports seems to be that the figures aren't collected by a Federal authority, but submitted by states that use widely varying methods to generate estimates.

I'd expect them to vastly under-estimated given most surveys are only completed in and around major cities. The recent sudden jump though is explained by the removal of COVID moratoriums, in that regard some of those figures will be coming out of defaulting rent or mortgage cases.
Id suggest vastly under reported and for sure its a global problem, you only have to look at Canada which was once at the top of lists for being the best place to live in the world and its also come under pressure for ignoring the homeless crisis.
https://housingrightscanada.com/canada-is-failing-to-tackle-its-housing-and-homelessness-crisis-and-the-international-community-is-watching/

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Reply #3709 –
Interesting the Sheriff that claimed his deputy officers had intercepted an assassin turns out to be a card carrying republican who is lobbying to be pre-selected as the republican candidate for the election of the next state governor.

But get this, the Sheriff was exposed by Fox and competing republican candidates, who broadcast that the FBI had confirmed there was no valid assassination attempt. Seems like the Sheriff is a republican but not Fox's preferred republican.

The whole story kicked off as a beat up by Marjorie Taylor Green who started the freakshow and fear mongering using her online media accounts.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #3710 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Its just that after a while you give up trying to have a balanced discussion with someone as far far left as yourself.

The funny thing about the political spectrum is that where you sit personally on it often defines where you see others sitting.
I regard myself as pretty much 'dead centre' with a touch of 'left' on some issues and a touch of 'right' on others.

But other folks would probably regard me as a strong left winger or a right winger depending on where they sit.
I don't think we have any extreme left or right folk on here...left and right leaning perhaps.

Someone like Trump polarises folks.
There really is no middle ground.
He's either the "best thing since sliced bread" or "the devil incarnate." depending on your position.
And support doesn't necessarily come from traditional sections of the community.
The rhetoric means that America will enter a dangerous period post election whatever the result.
It won't just affect America but will have implications for the rest of the world.



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Reply #3711 –
In case anyone missed it, the bloke who was arrested at Coachella is a registered Republican and MAGA cult member.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #3712 –
Quote from: DJC – on
In case anyone missed it, the bloke who was arrested at Coachella is a registered Republican and MAGA cult member.
I gather MAGA miss the irony of how they reacted to Justin Smollett, versus the recent MTG assassination attempt hoax!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #3714 –
I can't make sense of the homeless situation in Australia. I notice a few people camping under bridges around the city, many are plastering facades with signs saying homeless, need help, anti-police, anti-vax conspiracies, begging at intersections. I start to feel some pity and empathy, then on the next trip past I see them standing there holding a sign begging for money for rent while holding a full sized fresh looking carton of smokes, a donation maybe, but perhaps not! To me that is not an issue of being destitute, it's a mental health issue, it can't be fixed with income or welfare payments.

This is a very different issue to the homeless women some I know help out, sleeping in cars sometimes with kids, pooling resources so that one can babysit while another gets a day of casual work here or there. That is a blight on our society.

Trump would label them all vagrants and lobby for them to be deported, or hidden from view somewhere, certainly well out of physical contact. His supporters would do well to remember it could be them one day, it could be any of us!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #3715 –
Not sure Kamala sitting down with a Fox News journalist, even one of the more moderate ones in Bret Baier, is a great idea.
She's struggling.

(edit: I wrote that at a particular point when immigration was the topic...she wasn't too bad in other parts. She deflected a bit but didn't take a back step.)

I don't think it will influence a lot of Fox viewers and change their minds but it will be interesting to see the overall reaction.
Kudos to her for doing it...was it a good decision to do it we'll have to wait and see.

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Reply #3716 –
It's a no win sitting down at Fox, almost zero swing voters will watch the network, and Fox as a News Ltd entity will lecture not interview and certainly not report.

They have a corporately defined clear "Style" that they must adhere to or they lose their job, it's been that way at News Ltd Corporations since the 80s. We would be issued with News Ltd Style books, not only did it tell you about article layouts and reporting constructs, how to write and broadcast articles, it told you how to refer to various famous people including politicians, sportspeople and entertainers. Any who made it into the public arena with a half decent profile ended up with an entry in the style books. You could divide them into two categories, Murdoch Haters( aka Hated by Murdoch. ) or Murdoch Apologists.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #3717 –
Quote from: LP – on
It's a no win sitting down at Fox, almost zero swing voters will watch the network, and Fox as a News Ltd entity will lecture not interview and certainly not report.

It's probably the go to channel for Republican voters.
But the thing is that not all Republicans are Trump supporters.
Many are quite opposed to his 'control' of the party.

I sometimes think the best 'tell' of how a politician has performed is seeing the reaction of commentators with a political bias.

After the Trump-Harris debate the Fox folk were generally down and subdued.
The CNN people were quite happy.
You'd give the points to Harris.

In the Vance-Walz debate both sides were quite pleased....we'll call it a draw.

It was interesting when the interview finished this morning I was expecting the Fox panelists to be quite aggressive about her performance and while it was fairly negative they weren't quite as damning as I expected, even praising her combative approach.
So on that basis the "entry into enemy territory" probably didn't go too badly for her.

Of course the more extreme Fox contributors will probably crucify her, but that's to be expected.

I do think that generally she's lost a bit of the momentum she had after the Presidential debate and the race is now very tight.

The other thing that may come into play is this....
The world is in a mess at the moment...Kim is blowing up roads, the Chinese are circling Taiwan, Israel is about to bomb Iran and the war in Ukraine continues.

The Americans are going to be preoccupied for the next three weeks and as the election day approaches will one of the 'nut-jobs' take advantage of the USA looking the other way to do something to ignite one of these situations.

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Reply #3718 –
Most rambled on about her being a few minutes late for the interview, no substantial comments at all!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #3719 –
What's going on with Aurangzeb swaying to music for 39 minutes at one of his rallies?

I guess that he made more sense during that time than he usually does.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!