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Reply #4770 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
Those bone spurs seem to have migrated to his head and grown inward.

Jokes aside, there are serious and legitimate questions being asked about Trump's cognitive decline, evidenced in speeches, interviews etc. To say nothing of his increasing habit of falling asleep at inopportune moments.

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Reply #4771 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Quote from: Baggers – on
Those bone spurs seem to have migrated to his head and grown inward.

Jokes aside, there are serious and legitimate questions being asked about Trump's cognitive decline, evidenced in speeches, interviews etc. To say nothing of his increasing habit of falling asleep at inopportune moments.

https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-25/

I'm not sure the country would be better off. ::)

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Reply #4772 –
Quote from: Lods – on
https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-25/

I'm not sure the country would be better off. ::)

If the US is looking for genuine worker-centred political parties, with a focus on peace, a cleaner, more equitable, fairer planet, they won't find it in the mainstream parties. The issue is structural, not personal. The donor class establishes and maintains the machine, and by the time an individual gets anywhere near the top of the pile, they have passed through so many filters that there is never a doubt as to who they will serve.

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Reply #4773 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: Baggers – on
Those bone spurs seem to have migrated to his head and grown inward.

It's bad luck that we only have a "like" button and not ways to indicate more emphatic approval of a post Shane  :D
:))  :))
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

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Reply #4774 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Quote from: Lods – on
https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-25/

I'm not sure the country would be better off. ::)

If the US is looking for genuine worker-centred political parties, with a focus on peace, a cleaner, more equitable, fairer planet, they won't find it in the mainstream parties. The issue is structural, not personal. The donor class establishes and maintains the machine, and by the time an individual gets anywhere near the top of the pile, they have passed through so many filters that there is never a doubt as to who they will serve.

There not looking for that though. It's why the mainstream parties dominate both there and here.
In the words of Willie Nelson "the winds of change are always blowing.".
The problem is if they blow too far they just turn around and blow back in the other direction.
While it may not seem evident just at the moment there have been great advances in the States in things like racial equality, sexual equality, the rights of LGBT folks...certainly since I was young.

But despite all that the country has probably never been more divided.

We can point the finger at an obvious candidate responsible for that....but what is the thinking of those people who embrace these ideas. How is it possible and what are the social conditions that give it life. It doesn't all come from.the MAGA crowd.

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Reply #4775 –
Quote from: Lods – on
There not looking for that though. It's why the mainstream parties dominate both there and here.
In the words of Willie Nelson "the winds of change are always blowing.".
The problem is if they blow too far they just turn around and blow back in the other direction.
While it may not seem evident just at the moment there have been great advances in the States in things like racial equality, sexual equality, the rights of LGBT folks...certainly since I was young.

But despite all that the country has probably never been more divided.

We can point the finger at an obvious candidate responsible for that....but what is the thinking of those people who embrace these ideas. How is it possible and what are the social conditions that give it life. It doesn't all come from.the MAGA crowd.

It is possible because the irreconcilable differences that culminated in the Civil War have never been resolved and the animosity between the antagonists is still bubbling away. The polarised politics, paranoia and conspiracy theories of the mid-19th century may have had different foci but the parallels with the 21st century are real.  As Prof David Blight wrote during Taco's first term, his "ignorance of American history, his flouting of political and constitutional traditions, his embrace of racist ideas and groups, his egregious uses of fear, his own party’s moral bankruptcy in its inability to confront him" is putting the republic in great peril.

Then there's the institutions that control virtually every aspect of American life.  Even the make up of school councils is determined by hard-fought elections with Democrat and Republican candidates and political policies and appointments flow from those elected.   Is it any wonder that the US education system produces citizens who are largely ignorant of the world around them and have a poor understanding of maths and science?  Prof Blight wrote in 2017 that "Americans are more than politically polarized; we are bitterly divided about our expanding diversity, about the proper function of government, about the right to vote and how to protect it, over women’s reproductive rights, about climate science, over whether we even believe in a social contract between citizens and the polity."  In other words, they're fecked!
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball
 

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Reply #4776 –
Quote from: Lods – on
There not looking for that though. It's why the mainstream parties dominate both there and here.
In the words of Willie Nelson "the winds of change are always blowing.".
The problem is if they blow too far they just turn around and blow back in the other direction.
While it may not seem evident just at the moment there have been great advances in the States in things like racial equality, sexual equality, the rights of LGBT folks...certainly since I was young.

But despite all that the country has probably never been more divided.

We can point the finger at an obvious candidate responsible for that....but what is the thinking of those people who embrace these ideas. How is it possible and what are the social conditions that give it life. It doesn't all come from.the MAGA crowd.

When you say "they're not looking for that though", who are "they" ? I have seen survey after survey after survey where the majority of people in those surveys want more action on the environment, want universal healthcare, want a better minimum wage, want fairer and more humane policies on immigration, think ICE is a menace and want them off the streets, want the US to stop fighting one war after another etc. The voices of the people are pretty clear on these points.

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Reply #4777 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Quote from: Lods – on
There not looking for that though. It's why the mainstream parties dominate both there and here.
In the words of Willie Nelson "the winds of change are always blowing.".
The problem is if they blow too far they just turn around and blow back in the other direction.
While it may not seem evident just at the moment there have been great advances in the States in things like racial equality, sexual equality, the rights of LGBT folks...certainly since I was young.

But despite all that the country has probably never been more divided.

We can point the finger at an obvious candidate responsible for that....but what is the thinking of those people who embrace these ideas. How is it possible and what are the social conditions that give it life. It doesn't all come from.the MAGA crowd.

When you say "they're not looking for that though", who are "they" ? I have seen survey after survey after survey where the majority of people in those surveys want more action on the environment, want universal healthcare, want a better minimum wage, want fairer and more humane policies on immigration, think ICE is a menace and want them off the streets, want the US to stop fighting one war after another etc. The voices of the people are pretty clear on these points.

People may care about those things, but for the majority most of those are not 'priority' issues.
They are not what determines their vote
The only survey that counts are the ones on polling days.
If they were 'determiners' then the parties who promote those ideals would be more successful.
They're not.
Neither here or in the states.

If the opposition to the Republicans is there, then next years mid terms should see a Democrat Tsunami that gives them control of both the house and the Senate.
At the moment that's not assured and it's looking like a draw

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Reply #4778 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Quote from: Baggers – on
Those bone spurs seem to have migrated to his head and grown inward.

Jokes aside, there are serious and legitimate questions being asked about Trump's cognitive decline, evidenced in speeches, interviews etc. To say nothing of his increasing habit of falling asleep at inopportune moments.


Yep, Pauly, his cognitive decline is quite evident (dementia). You can bet he'd be medicated to the eyeballs with the appropriate meds, along with stimulants to get him up for speaking engagement. But there will come a tipping point, a point of no return.

His cognitive abilities are heading downward to join his moral bankruptcy.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

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Reply #4779 –
Quote from: Lods – on
People may care about those things, but for the majority most of those are not 'priority' issues.
They are not what determines their vote
The only survey that counts are the ones on polling days.
If they were 'determiners' then the parties who promote those ideals would be more successful.
They're not.
Neither here or in the states.

If the opposition to the Republicans is there, then next years mid terms should see a Democrat Tsunami that gives them control of both the house and the Senate.
At the moment that's not assured and it's looking like a draw

I'm not sure that's right. Leaving aside the fact that Trump says a lot of contradictory things, his campaign promises were very much about draining the swamp, being the working man's President, being anti war etc. Not much on climate and environment, but people voted for him because he convinced them he was in their corner. And the fact that Democrats are beyond useless. His approval ratings are in the toilet because people have figured out that he is the opposite of what he claims.

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Reply #4780 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
I'm not sure that's right. Leaving aside the fact that Trump says a lot of contradictory things, his campaign promises were very much about draining the swamp, being the working man's President, being anti war etc. Not much on climate and environment, but people voted for him because he convinced them he was in their corner. And the fact that Democrats are beyond useless. His approval ratings are in the toilet because people have figured out that he is the opposite of what he claims.

“Got a short, got a short, got a short, got a short
They've got a short must have a short they've got a short aah
Short memory, they've got a.”
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

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Reply #4781 –
No, a leader took control over false pretences and then failed to deliver on their promises achieving their own goals instead....

Im shocked and appalled that anyone thought it would go any other way. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #4782 –
News outlets are reporting on some Trump revelations from the Epstein files this morning.
White  house are calling it a Democrat hoax.
Those files may yet bring him undone...we'll wait and see.

He doesn't believe half the things he sprouts.
It's targeted at an audience who laps it up.

Those attitudes won't change with the demise of Trump they'll just go back underground until the next version of Trump gives them air.

Social media is a funny thing.
Attitudes and prejudices are often exposed and people express themselves on issues that may present them in a completely different light to the person you know.
Things of a political and social nature that they never would discuss in a personal conversation are suddenly given a platform.
My facebook friends now range from left of Karl Marx to the right of Attila the Hun....and there are a few surprises in there...especially how strong some of those feelings and prejudices are.

The message there is that a lot of attitudes, prejudices and approach to political and social issues is hidden.


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Reply #4783 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
No, a leader took control over false pretences and then failed to deliver on their promises achieving their own goals instead....

Im shocked and appalled that anyone thought it would go any other way.

You're not alone there Thry but have you ever watched vox pops with MAGA supporters?  You wouldn't say that they're the sharpest knives in the drawer  ::)
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

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Reply #4784 –
The BBC is stupid for misrepresenting the RedTrump speech using creative editing, the likes of the BBC and ABC must always remain apolitical which hasn't been the case in recent years. btw., The BBC didn't broadcast fake, RedTrump said everything they broadcast, they just edited out the bits that RedTrump always includes to guard his own ar5e! He usually starts off with a something like, "This wasn't me....," or "I tried to stop them ....." followed by his big but!

The likes of the BBC can expose fraud, highlight failings, keep politicians to account, without taking a side or misrepresenting someone, it's not that hard. When the media fall into RedTrump like behaviour they put a noose around their own neck, because the traction only applies in one direction, they look like a goose and RedTrump's MAGA crew spit vitriol.

I'll be surprised if the Epstein stuff amounts to much, and to me it's a media wasted effort against RedTrump, they should be going after his financial dealings which really gets in his head. As a psychopath he can't be upset by telling or highlighting how poorly he has treated people, they are meaningless to him, even perhaps his family, he has no conscience or empathy. When he makes a statement about a sad event it's in his own frame of reference, it's a vacuous statement in regards to others. Attacking his wallet hurts him every time, it's all he cares about!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"