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Reply #4845 –
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Interesting that Taco informed the oil companies of the attack but didn’t bother with Congress.

Kings don't need to consult jesters. ;D
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

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Reply #4846 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
Quote from: DJC – on
Interesting that Taco informed the oil companies of the attack but didn’t bother with Congress.

Kings don't need to consult jesters. ;D

I think that you've got the Turkish proverb arse-about Shane.  It's "When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a king; the palace becomes a circus."  ;D
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

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Reply #4847 –
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Kings don't need to consult jesters. ;D

I think that you've got the Turkish proverb arse-about Shane.  It's "When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn't become a king; the palace becomes a circus."  ;D

Well, I've not heard of that Turkish proverb but wow, it couldn't be more apt!
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

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Reply #4848 –
Is America great again ? Asking for a friend.

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Reply #4850 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Is America great again ? Asking for a friend.

It's in the eye of the beholder Paul and some aren't particularly discerning.  As the great Taco remarked during the campaign, "I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters, OK?"
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

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Reply #4851 –
There is probably no greater example of the deep divisions in American society today than the reaction to the killing of the woman by the ICE agent  yesterday.
People watching the exact same footage are seeing completely different things depending on their political leanings.

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Reply #4852 –
Quote from: Lods – on
There is probably no greater example of the deep divisions in American society today than the reaction to the killing of the woman by the ICE agent  yesterday.
People watching the exact same footage are seeing completely different things depending on their political leanings.

It's the world we live in.

Clearly the ICE agent executed her.

If it was a couple of years ago and it was a neo nazi MAGA right winger killed the same people protesting would be defending the shooting.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #4853 –
America's record for killings by cops or other law enforcement officials is dismal, one of the world's worst, keeping company with Donny's much beloved "s h i t hole" countries.

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Reply #4854 –
Without the political hyperbole, Im amazed at the sheer number of innocent people who wind up in a confrontation with law enforcement and somehow end up losing their lives.  Personally, I assume these people are technically not doing the right thing, and have put themselves in a situation where they are drawing this reaction.  It might come across as "victim shaming/blaming" but im fairly confident no one set out to deliberately kill someone at the start of that process, its where it ended after the confrontation.

Either the cops there are OTT, or these innocent people are not so innocent and there is scope for a middle ground there, because not all incidents (and officers) would be the same.

Before we worry too much about the number of incidents, this is data without context.  The USA is a population of what, 350 million?

We get a disproportionate access to their media over any other nation so we hear more about their dirty laundry than most other countries, and you need to put these incidents in rates of incident per capita to make a meaningful comparison to anywhere else in the world aside from maybe the UK which comes in at an estimated 70 million odd, so 1/5th the size. 

Is their rate of incident really that much higher?

Im not wedded to an outcome there, just challenging people to think more critically about these things.  Two things can be true at the same time here too.  This officer may very well have murdered in cold blood, and this may not speak for anything but an officer who needs to be stood down.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #4855 –
A major factor in shootings by US police/enforcement agencies is the prevalence of gun carrying by the public.  YouTube is full of clips of officers shooting drivers and drivers shooting officers after traffic stops.  Officers are expecting the worst and shooting first and asking questions later is self preservation.  That's not going to change without reform of gun ownership and that's not going to happen without a major change in attitude towards the Second Amendment.

A US National Library of Medicine study found that the incident rate for fatal police shootings in the ten high-gun states was 3.6 times greater than in the five low-gun states. As an aside, the study notes that USA has very high rates of homicide by police compared to other high-income countries ... and that's bleedingly obvious.

A former police officer was recently sentenced to 33 months in prison after being convicted of violating a black woman's civil rights by using excessive force in fatally shooting her during a raid on her home. The maximum sentence is life imprisonment and Taco's administration asked that the officer be sentenced to one day in prison.

 
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

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Reply #4856 –
Quote from: DJC – on
A major factor in shootings by US police/enforcement agencies is the prevalence of gun carrying by the public.  YouTube is full of clips of officers shooting drivers and drivers shooting officers after traffic stops.  Officers are expecting the worst and shooting first and asking questions later is self preservation.  That's not going to change without reform of gun ownership and that's not going to happen without a major change in attitude towards the Second Amendment.

A US National Library of Medicine study found that the incident rate for fatal police shootings in the ten high-gun states was 3.6 times greater than in the five low-gun states. As an aside, the study notes that USA has very high rates of homicide by police compared to other high-income countries ... and that's bleedingly obvious.

A former police officer was recently sentenced to 33 months in prison after being convicted of violating a black woman's civil rights by using excessive force in fatally shooting her during a raid on her home. The maximum sentence is life imprisonment and Taco's administration asked that the officer be sentenced to one day in prison.

The first paragraph is a fair point DJC, but these situations will unravel with greater frequency when you have untrained amateur goons, given crazy amounts of money, with little instruction and seemingly unlimited impunity, roaming US cities.

Study after study shows that guns make societies less safe, not more.
 

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Reply #4857 –
What's happening with Trump's border wall ? I don't hear about it these days.

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Reply #4858 –
I guess he doesn't really need it with the 'Ice Capades' taking care of business.

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Reply #4859 –
Quote from: Lods – on
I guess he doesn't really need it with the 'Ice Capades' taking care of business.

I had a quick look around the interwebs after I posted, and it's still a thing. Construction is continuing apparently.

Although frightening the peeps is easier if you convince them the enemy has already stormed the gates, as opposed to simply being on your doorstep.