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Re: The Hard Road To The Premiership

Reply #195 –
Quote from: cookie2 – on
Whatever road we are on Lods, seems like we are riding in the Deadwood Stage unfortunately. (See my post in the other game thread).

Wasn't a bad coach :D

Which is kind of brings us to the point..... Bolton needs to get us going before he gets it in the back ""Wild Bill Hickock" style.

It's not something I'm advocating... but it's what will happen if it takes too long.
I have no faith we will stay as patient as some are suggesting in the face of continued poor performances.
This stuff at the moment doesn't matter...but if it transfers into the season proper we will have a real problem keeping it together.

Re: The Hard Road To The Premiership

Reply #196 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Wasn't a bad coach :D

Which is kind of brings us to the point..... Bolton needs to get us going before he gets it in the back ""Wild Bill Hickock" style.

It's not something I'm advocating... but it's what will happen if it takes too long.
I have no faith we will stay as patient as some are suggesting in the face of continued poor performances.
This stuff at the moment doesn't matter...but if it transfers into the season proper we will have a real problem keeping it together.

Yes, if we are still showing this low level of intensity by R10 then I'm sure some serious questions will be being asked. A bit early yet to start majorly worrying but I can't help feeling somewhat concerned.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: The Hard Road To The Premiership

Reply #197 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Wasn't a bad coach :D

Which is kind of brings us to the point..... Bolton needs to get us going before he gets it in the back ""Wild Bill Hickock" style.

It's not something I'm advocating... but it's what will happen if it takes too long.
I have no faith we will stay as patient as some are suggesting in the face of continued poor performances.
This stuff at the moment doesn't matter...but if it transfers into the season proper we will have a real problem keeping it together.

Actually a poster on another site said he spoke to a former player today. Said Bolts was very good at turning kids into much better kids but not so good at turning them into senior footballers. Hope he's wrong.

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Reply #198 –
Quote from: laj – on
Actually a poster on another site said he spoke to a former player today. Said Bolts was very good at turning kids into much better kids but not so good at turning them into senior footballers. Hope he's wrong.

Yep ....because that's how it starts.

Little snippets like that become more frequent.
Rumours of disquiet in the club start to appear in the press.
Supporters start to question certain aspects of the handling of the team and relay those to the club....and so it goes, slowly building momentum.

Pressure builds.

The only way to short circuit it is to start to show significant improvement otherwise the coach is under siege.

That's why it is so important that this practice match form is not indicative of our coming season.

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Reply #199 –
Quote from: laj – on
Actually a poster on another site said he spoke to a former player today. Said Bolts was very good at turning kids into much better kids but not so good at turning them into senior footballers. Hope he's wrong.

Bolton is still learning his trade, he needs to grow as a coach like the players have to grow and develop....not an easy job for anyone after Hughes, Rogers and MM screwed up the list...

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Reply #200 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Bolton is still learning his trade, he needs to grow as a coach like the players have to grow and develop....not an easy job for anyone after Hughes, Rogers and MM screwed up the list...

Not necessarily agreeing but thought i'd pass it on. We're gradually moving on the crap and bringing in what looks like good kids.

Still, if we played a season like the last couple of weeks then he'd have a huge issue but last year's pre-season was pretty terrible then we won 6 games during the first half of the year.
 

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Reply #201 –
Yep...to be clear

We all hope and expect Bolton to be successful.
But he is in a delicately balanced battle against time.
He has to demonstrate that things are on track and that means we have to see some apparent improvements.
We shouldn't fall into the trap of believing that because the club says this is a "slow deliberate work in progress" that everyone will accept that.
The club can only guide expectations, they can't control them.

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Reply #202 –
SOS did say preseason that it's not necessarily a straight line of improvement. GWS 3 wins year 1. 1 win in year 2.

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Reply #203 –
Quote from: jeza – on
SOS did say preseason that it's not necessarily a straight line of improvement. GWS 3 wins year 1. 1 win in year 2.

yes - look at Bomber Thompson's coaching record at Geelong.

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Reply #204 –
Quote from: jeza – on
SOS did say preseason that it's not necessarily a straight line of improvement. GWS 3 wins year 1. 1 win in year 2.

True
The problem is that although we know this is just the second year of a reset, for many Carlton folk it's about year 15-20.

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Reply #205 –
Quote from: jeza – on
SOS did say preseason that it's not necessarily a straight line of improvement. GWS 3 wins year 1. 1 win in year 2.

Thats pretty much my line of thinking.

I never expected much from this season. If we were about where we were last season, then thats about right. Anything better is a bonus.

I expect NEXT year to start showing signs of our radical improvement.

....assuming we actually try and improve our forward line this off-season.

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Reply #206 –
Quote from: jeza – on
SOS did say preseason that it's not necessarily a straight line of improvement. GWS 3 wins year 1. 1 win in year 2.
Its funny really, when BB started this gig, everyone pretty much understood and accepted that:
- we were starting from ground zero
- it was rebuild or reset
- no short cuts or quick fixes
- it was going to take time
- there would be ups and downs
- there was a plan that would not be deviated from
Here we are, start of year 2, a couple of ordinary praccy matches and people are already lining him up for the knife.
How quick some forget, its year 2 people, give it a fair go. Yes we saw some unexpected good signs last year, that didnt mean we were going to make the 8 this year.
Patience my friends, it will make the good times ahead more enjoyable.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: The Hard Road To The Premiership

Reply #207 –
Lack of effort and intensity though are worrying signs. Let's hope things improve in these areas.
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #208 –
Let's not sugar coat it. This team sucks.

Thomas, kicks more out on the full than to a team mate.

Kerridge, is a bigger turnover merchant than Mitch Robinson ever was.

Liam Jones, took his screamer, he's done for the year now.

These are AFL players who cannot handball or kick to a team mate, and on what seemed to be rare occasions, the ball got to a Carlton player on the full then we struggled to hold the mark. I lost count of how many Weitering dropped and Marchbank was the same.

People are drawing comparisons to GWS, why? We don't have the wealth of talent, what we do have is a supporter base that is ready to be patient, however they do want effort. I don't want to see Cripps just sauntering after his opponent down a wing, or Boekhurst choosing when to run hard. I want Zac Fisher type effort. This little boy is like a terrier, he is after the ball, or the man and if he gets knocked down he's up.

Why was Murphy rested? He only played half last year, isn't that rest enough. He looked rusty as all get out last wee. I understand a Kreuzer or Simpson having the week off, but the way it looks he plays a week, gets a week off plays another week then gets a rest again before round 1. How do you get touch this way?

I know it's a practise round and I know it's common practise to rest the senior players for your second game but we have 40,000 members now and on the back of the past two games where is the incentive to want to commit to a membership where you go every week to watch a couple give effort but most just not good enough.

I like what I saw of MacCreadie and Marchbank (dropped marks aside) looks A grade and Plowman will become a Peter Dean type back there. Notice they are all backmen because anyone forward of centre didn't see the ball.

Very disappointing.  

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Reply #209 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
yes - look at Bomber Thompson's coaching record at Geelong.

Once The Weapon and Danky got started their fortunes sky-rocketed! ;)
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