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Power forward?

We all dream of having a Sticks or Fev running out from goal demanding the ball but as of late it seems the club is reluctant to keep someone in that one position.
Our forward structure is left wanting.
I still don't understand why we just don't plonk Levi in the goals and that's where he stays. He learns to run in patterns and make that posi his. Others also learn to play around him.
I'm tired of this one quarter here or there.
He is a great mark and players are starting to fear his footsteps and his kicking has improved.
To the CFC... Please lease Levi at Full Forward so he can become our leading POWER FORWARD.
He stays there ALL GAME! :)
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Re: Power forward?

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We saw the way forward last night guys.

It means every player learning how to play every position on the field, in order to cover for a loss of a player via injury and not have to shuffle game plans.

I wouldnt have done a study as I CBF, but I would guess that having to severly change our method of playing football has cost us more games than anything else over the last 5 years due to a player going down injured.

What we saw last night were blokes playing all over the place at times.  Some going to relative key positions, others pushing up the field from a hbf whilst someone filled the hole that their absence left down back, to the point where we had blokes running into key position forward roles as ruckmen.

Until our boys learn all the roles that they have to, we will have lapses, quarters where we are uncompetitive, players that frustrate us because we cant figure out what they were trying to do (possibly because neither could they) but in time the weak links will lessen and this will become a strength.

It might take three years, but I have nothing but time.  We are not going to become world beaters, but we will be more united for it, and watch everyone have a better understanding of their teamates if it pays off.
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Quote from: Thryleon – on
We saw the way forward last night guys.

It means every player learning how to play every position on the field, in order to cover for a loss of a player via injury and not have to shuffle game plans.

I wouldnt have done a study as I CBF, but I would guess that having to severly change our method of playing football has cost us more games than anything else over the last 5 years due to a player going down injured.

What we saw last night were blokes playing all over the place at times.  Some going to relative key positions, others pushing up the field from a hbf whilst someone filled the hole that their absence left down back, to the point where we had blokes running into key position forward roles as ruckmen.

Until our boys learn all the roles that they have to, we will have lapses, quarters where we are uncompetitive, players that frustrate us because we cant figure out what they were trying to do (possibly because neither could they) but in time the weak links will lessen and this will become a strength.

It might take three years, but I have nothing but time.  We are not going to become world beaters, but we will be more united for it, and watch everyone have a better understanding of their teamates if it pays off.

Three years is about right Thry, then one more to become world beaters  :)

Bolton wasn't expecting miracles but he seemed pretty pleased with how we executed the game plan at times.  I thought his comments about Casboult were good too.  Even Fev and Sticks would struggle if they got poor delivery.

It will be interesting to see how the forwards go against weaker opposition next game.  Big Harry could get a run.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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We wont be going anywhere until we get a SPECIALIST KP Full Forward who can convert.....that means a lead up Full Forward who can also take a contested mark vs his opponent and convert from 50m out if he has to..

Levi is a very good forward pocket/relief ruckman but he doesnt have the nous to play FF or the ground play, forwards are born, not created.......

Harry Mckay will be our CHF, SOSOS will be our 3rd tall forward Gunston style but we need to recruit/steal a real deal FF....this trying to turn ruckman into KP Forwards drives me insane, Gorringe, Phillips, Kruezer wont make it as KP Forwards ever....all three are ruckman who can rest forward but not KP Forwards..

Foster is a specialist FF who is a good kick...where is he? and why isnt he being developed, if Bolton has any brains he will be demanding a KP Forward from SOS next draf t and in the meantime he probably has Foster and Jaksch as they only suitable candidates....Jaksch has good skills and is a nice kick, while he has been groomed for down back I would be  trialling him along with Foster at FF and trying to give us something to kick to...

Levi, Gorringe, Philips and Kruezer means only one forward game plan and thats bomb it long like we saw vs the Hawks and we all know that doesnt work.....none have the nous like a Fevola or Kernahan to play the position...

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Would love the days of the power forward to come back, this  over played basket ball at times is boring to watch , takes many features out of the game. Yes I understand its all about percentages these days & zones etc , but its so boring to watch. Enjoy the game so much more when it was played with positional requirements. I realise we will never go back to those days , but it really annoys me , and I am sure many others , when we break from the wing, go through half forward to see.....nothing but vacant land. No player to kick to. If you have no forward , means no goals? Wish some one would have the guts and say Casboult stay within 30m of the goals, see how he goes in the one on one contests. Might even make oppostion coaches change there plan a little

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Can't solve every positional problem in one draft.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

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I am quite surprised that Elwood used nous and Fevola in the one sentence. :)
What we need is a leader in the forward line, the go to man. The Hawks had a problem when they had Buddy in that they became a bit one dimensional. His leaving opened up the options and opportunities, however Roughhead has been their main man since he left. We need a team approach to our forward structure but we also need a leader. My biggest criticism on Waite and Henderson was that neither had the character to be the leader. They both were happy to be the second banana and that is why they will be happy in their new clubs.

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Quote from: Blue Moon – on
I am quite surprised that Elwood used nous and Fevola in the one sentence. :)
What we need is a leader in the forward line, the go to man. The Hawks had a problem when they had Buddy in that they became a bit one dimensional. His leaving opened up the options and opportunities, however Roughhead has been their main man since he left. We need a team approach to our forward structure but we also need a leader. My biggest criticism on Waite and Henderson was that neither had the character to be the leader. They both were happy to be the second banana and that is why they will be happy in their new clubs.

Which banana is Jones?  ;D
Reality always wins in the end.

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Quote from: Blue Moon – on
I am quite surprised that Elwood used nous and Fevola in the one sentence. :)
What we need is a leader in the forward line, the go to man. The Hawks had a problem when they had Buddy in that they became a bit one dimensional. His leaving opened up the options and opportunities, however Roughhead has been their main man since he left. We need a team approach to our forward structure but we also need a leader. My biggest criticism on Waite and Henderson was that neither had the character to be the leader. They both were happy to be the second banana and that is why they will be happy in their new clubs.

Yes, we desperately need someone to take charge of the forward line (another reason why we should have worked harder to keep Betts).  I'm not convinced that we need a specialist full forward.  Blokes who can play their role in the forward structure will get the job done but they'll do better if there's someone to ensure that they are sticking to the plan.  Perhaps that will be Walker's role.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Do the Hawks have a specialist FF ?

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Quote from: PaulP – on
Do the Hawks have a specialist FF ?

No they do not. The position of a power forward is increasingly redundant. All big blokes have to be able to run, and are more likely to spend most of their time running up and down the wings, to provide an option for the defenders to kick to.
The days of a FF running out of the goal square are gone.

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The basics of footy never  change, although fads come and go.  Any side with power forward woudl play themplay him, but he has to be mobile and not be a witches hat when the ball leaves his area....  frankly we are looking for an entire front half, not a single power forward and you need a mix of types to succeed.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?
 

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I'm sure BB is working hard trying to fix our fwd structure. This will be a big challenge for him and it's still uncertain re. how many players we have on our list who will measure up. Mckay seems promising among the new recruits as a big bloke and Levi may come good this year as a good contributor but I don't think he'll be a dominating power forward (hope I'm wrong).
Reality always wins in the end.

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"Fix" Cookie?  I'd say it's more like trading our forward structure in on a new one  :)

I think that the forward structure has to be looked at in the context of our new proactive defence and better ball movement and, even if nothing else changes, that should give our forwards more opportunities.  If Bolton's forward structure can work with the players we've got, kicking a winning score should be possible, if not probable.

While I appreciated the way Jones tackled and attacked the contest on Thursday, he never really looked like taking a mark and I suspect that he won't play much of a part in the season proper.  Gorringe had a cameo appearance and I don't know if he'll offer anything.  Kreuzer looked OK when he went forward but he has to make the most of his chances and his best work is around the ground.  Phillips has some hops (Brereton reckons he once hurdled a car) but so did Hampson.

Casboult is our best bet as a key forward if his knee holds up (I hope his knee was just iced to aid recovery after the game).  His marking is outstanding and his tank is good enough for him to get up the ground to provide an outlet target.  His wonky ball drop is still an issue and I think that he will need ongoing work on his kicking to ensure that his conversion rate remains well above 50%.

Finding another key forward to complement Casboult seems to be the issue and I will be looking forward to seeing whether McKay is up to the challenge or whether Foster or Gorringe can do the job.  Wietering could be another option, particularly if Jaksch has been earmarked for a defensive role.    
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Quote from: DJC – on
"Fix" Cookie?  I'd say it's more like trading our forward structure in on a new one  :)


Yes, but unfortunately we have to wait until next trade period for that  :(.  As you say though, there are a few options to try and we may get lucky with one of them.
Reality always wins in the end.