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Re: Power forward?

Reply #15 –
Quote from: cookie2 – on
Yes, but unfortunately we have to wait until next trade period for that  :(.  As you say though, there are a few options to try and we may get lucky with one of them.

Yes, we could well have a ten year key forward waiting in the wings and our targets at the next draft will be midfielders.

I'm looking forward to seeing a couple of the young forwards in action next weekend.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: Power forward?

Reply #16 –
Quote from: Blue Moon – on
I am quite surprised that Elwood used nous and Fevola in the one sentence. :)
What we need is a leader in the forward line, the go to man. The Hawks had a problem when they had Buddy in that they became a bit one dimensional. His leaving opened up the options and opportunities, however Roughhead has been their main man since he left. We need a team approach to our forward structure but we also need a leader. My biggest criticism on Waite and Henderson was that neither had the character to be the leader. They both were happy to be the second banana and that is why they will be happy in their new clubs.

Fev was a natural Full Forward with plenty of nous on the field but zero nous off the field.....

re: Hawks...good teams have good fowards that hunt in pairs....Gunston helps make Roughead the player he is when playing forward......Freo cant win a flag with only Pavlich, Collingwood won with Dawes and Cloke
but have not been any good since...

We need need two Key specialist forwards who can convert because thats the other issue...Gunston and Roughead dont miss the easy ones....

All good Carlton teams have good key forwards and we will never be any good until we get back to the basic structure of a good team and have proper KP players down the spine ..not this Bull Shizen
idea of playing ruckman in KP's.....

Re: Power forward?

Reply #17 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Fev was a natural Full Forward with plenty of nous on the field but zero nous off the field.....

re: Hawks...good teams have good fowards that hunt in pairs....Gunston helps make Roughead the player he is when playing forward......Freo cant win a flag with only Pavlich, Collingwood won with Dawes and Cloke
but have not been any good since...

We need need two Key specialist forwards who can convert because thats the other issue...Gunston and Roughead dont miss the easy ones....

All good Carlton teams have good key forwards and we will never be any good until we get back to the basic structure of a good team and have proper KP players down the spine ..not this Bull Shizen
idea of playing ruckman in KP's.....

Brad Pearce was the missing link in '95 and he'd be a fair bit shorter than 1AW I imagine.....?
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Re: Power forward?

Reply #18 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Fev was a natural Full Forward with plenty of nous on the field but zero nous off the field.....

re: Hawks...good teams have good fowards that hunt in pairs....Gunston helps make Roughead the player he is when playing forward......Freo cant win a flag with only Pavlich, Collingwood won with Dawes and Cloke
but have not been any good since...

We need need two Key specialist forwards who can convert because thats the other issue...Gunston and Roughead dont miss the easy ones....

All good Carlton teams have good key forwards and we will never be any good until we get back to the basic structure of a good team and have proper KP players down the spine ..not this Bull Shizen
idea of playing ruckman in KP's.....

Fev's nous was more about getting the pill himself than doing the best for the team . . . but that's another story.

We definitely need two genuine key forwards.  Add a ruckman that can go forward and kick goals, midfielders that can score, backmen who can bang a couple through, a crumbing forward, a third tall and we've got the makings of the forward line.  If all of the forwards can be effective up the ground too, we've got the makings of a very competitive side.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: Power forward?

Reply #19 –
Quote from: flyboy77 – on
Brad Pearce was the missing link in '95 and he'd be a fair bit shorter than 1AW I imagine.....?


He was the cream on top of Kernahan and Spalding cake ....... we don't have Kernahan and Spalding..  :(
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Re: Power forward?

Reply #20 –
You must have two gun big forwards to succeed... Lockett and Fev kicked bags in crap sides that finished in the cellar.    Add a second string and the sides start to go somewhere.

The '95 side had the Duke and Sticks as the power forwards, Pearce as the ground level/slick leading type, with Clape the versatile, smart mid-sized forward plus a choice of any number of fast deadly smalls playing crumbing role.  You need a mix of types.
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Re: Power forward?

Reply #22 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
You must have two gun big forwards to succeed... Lockett and Fev kicked bags in crap sides that finished in the cellar.    Add a second string and the sides start to go somewhere.

The '95 side had the Duke and Sticks as the power forwards, Pearce as the ground level/slick leading type, with Clape the versatile, smart mid-sized forward plus a choice of any number of fast deadly smalls playing crumbing role.  You need a mix of types.

 x2  You can be the forward coach Prof as you know what we need...the 2 KP's plus support crew..

Re: Power forward?

Reply #25 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
You must have two gun big forwards to succeed... Lockett and Fev kicked bags in crap sides that finished in the cellar.    Add a second string and the sides start to go somewhere.

The '95 side had the Duke and Sticks as the power forwards, Pearce as the ground level/slick leading type, with Clape the versatile, smart mid-sized forward plus a choice of any number of fast deadly smalls playing crumbing role.  You need a mix of types.

I agree, I think a combination of Casboult as your power forward and Jaksch as a more crafty tall forward and Everitt as 3rd tall, plus Walker as a flanker plus someone to step up as a small is a good set up.

Re: Power forward?

Reply #26 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
You must have two gun big forwards to succeed... Lockett and Fev kicked bags in crap sides that finished in the cellar.    Add a second string and the sides start to go somewhere.

The '95 side had the Duke and Sticks as the power forwards, Pearce as the ground level/slick leading type, with Clape the versatile, smart mid-sized forward plus a choice of any number of fast deadly smalls playing crumbing role.  You need a mix of types.
Our forward line is very much a work in progress. But as you mentioned, our successful forward line was not dependent on any one forward. We had 2 keys, Kernahan and Spalding. We had 2 mid sized forwards with something different, Clape and Pearce. We had a host of smalls.

At the moment we are lacking in all of those areas, but we do have potential:
[1] Key forwards:
We have just drafted 2 guys who could be answers, Curnow and McKay. They have real promise, but physically they won't be ready any time soon.
We have a real target in Casboult if we can get the ball near him regularly. Get the ball quickly from the middle and get him one out and he is a real headache for any defence. He has his issues and we all know them. But he is what we have.
Other than that, we have some question marks:
(a) Gorringe - a fail up in Qld, but a lad with the weapons. Can we make him work out as a key forward? I'm not sure, as I don't know how well he handles body pressure.
(b) Jones - next question. Seriously, he has the ability to blow away a defence, but he is probably not going to make it. He doesn't have enough idea, his kicking is unreliable, he doesn't get enough ball and his body work is terrible. For all that, he is a power player who can leap over tall buildings in a single bound. But he is not and never will be a primary key forward, a gorilla if you will.
(c) Resting ruckmen - another interesting concept, especially if we start moving the ball quickly into the forward 50. All of our rucks can take a mark and kick a goal, but they don't do it enough. Kreuzer looks much better as a ruckman and he is the most likely to do the job more than once in a game. But his kicking for goal is not what it used to be.
(d) Other kids - guys like Foster. Not sure what goes here.

[2] Mid sized forwards with X-Factor:
This is one area where we look not too bad.
We have Everitt, who can really do the job and take some really nice marks. He has issues with intensity and reliability, but he is a real danger. He has more pace than most guys his size and he can jump.
Andrew Walker used to be able to lead very well as well as taking screamers. Not what he used to be physically, but he does tackle and chase. He was once the most accurate kick for goal in the competition, but now he is unreliable. But his athleticism and potential work rate make him a real danger.
Silvagni is a look into the future. He may not have the raw pace of Walker, but he leads well, his work rate is 1st rate and he has the Silvagni desperation. He is also a much better kick than his old man.
I feel Gorringe will fit this role better than the key forward one as well, as he is much more mobile than he looks and his kicking is fine.
We also have guys like Armfield who have that extra pace and ability to shut down a key HBF player.

[3] Crumbing small forwards, including resting midfielders:
This is an area we really need to work on. Last year we had nothing on the ground at all, with no Betts and no Garlett. We tried Thomas, but he got injured in the 1st few minutes and couldn't contribute. We got Tutt, but he is playing better up field (where he looks not too bad).
So, we are dependent on new chums.
(a) Lamb - an unknown quantity who is yet to prove himself at 2 clubs.
(b) Sumner - a speed machine, but one who has struggled to get onto the park yet and who hasn't done a lot when he has.
(c) Gallucci - another guy with pace, but he has some runs on the board and crumbing is his specialty.
(d) Wright - not enough goals and not enough ball at Adelaide, but has the right attitude and work rate.
Then there are guys like Murphy, who really likes a goal when he gets the chance; Cripps, who is an incredibly difficult matchup at his height and Kerridge.

Looking at this and we could become quite a good forward line, but the questions are there.
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Re: Power forward?

Reply #27 –
Quote from: Jean-Claude – on
I agree, I think a combination of Casboult as your power forward and Jaksch as a more crafty tall forward and Everitt as 3rd tall, plus Walker as a flanker plus someone to step up as a small is a good set up.

Apparently Jaksch has been training exclusively with the defenders so it seems unlikely that we'll see him as a forward.

Our options for the second key forward spot are Jones, Foster, Gorringe, McKay and Curnow and I'm not sure that any of that lot can do the job just yet - or anytime soon in the case of Jones.

I'd like to see Jaksch and Weitering tried as a key forwards but I suspect it won't happen.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: Power forward?

Reply #28 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Apparently Jaksch has been training exclusively with the defenders so it seems unlikely that we'll see him as a forward.

Our options for the second key forward spot are Jones, Foster, Gorringe, McKay and Curnow and I'm not sure that any of that lot can do the job just yet - or anytime soon in the case of Jones.

I'd like to see Jaksch and Weitering tried as a key forwards but I suspect it won't happen.

I think we'll go with the options you've identified DJC, with the additional option of possibly snaring another next year if they don't show promise.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: Power forward?

Reply #29 –
Quote from: cookie2 – on
BN1 or BN2 ?  :)

Are you thinking what I'm thinking?

I think I am B2.

Jones is the backup banana in pyjamas.   He only gets on if B1 or B2 go down injured.
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