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Re: Rd 3: Carlton vs Gold Coast: Pre Game Premonitions

Reply #15 –
Uh oh, Thry has found his new argumentative baby......Liam Jones, come on down! ;D
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

Re: Rd 3: Carlton vs Gold Coast: Pre Game Premonitions

Reply #16 –
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on
Uh oh, Thry has found his new argumentative baby......Liam Jones, come on down! ;D

Jones will (rightfully) need to show 8-12 weeks of consistent effort and output in the lower divisions before being considered.

It's going to be a long first half of the season on these forums  :P

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Reply #17 –
Hope the backline can keep their spirits up.

They are going to be under pressure for much of the year, coming off a year when they were under pressure 80% in 2015.

Would be an easy thing to drop their heads.
You can fool some of the people some of the time.......................................
 

Re: Rd 3: Carlton vs Gold Coast: Pre Game Premonitions

Reply #18 –
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on
Uh oh, Thry has found his new argumentative baby......Liam Jones, come on down! ;D

Nah just used him as an example as he kicked 3 in the praccy against Richmond, and then put his hand up again this week (if reports are to be trusted).

Personally, Id be happier if it were Plowman, Jaksch or Skittles putting their hand up and stating "play me" but if its Liam Jones then so be it.

Quote from: ItsOurTime – on
Jones will (rightfully) need to show 8-12 weeks of consistent effort and output in the lower divisions before being considered.

It's going to be a long first half of the season on these forums  :P

Ill be happy if we end up the year saying that we competed as best we could every week and gave it our all at this point provided we beat Essendon.

Im under no illsusions, but we will need to face a fairly complacent side to get a win at this point as we look like we are missing too many cogs all over the park.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Rd 3: Carlton vs Gold Coast: Pre Game Premonitions

Reply #19 –
Disagree,

Just entirely unacceptable when blokes like Gibbs and Everitt go AWOL as and when they seemingly see fit....

Gibbs especially.

What happened to the effort shown against the Tigers?
Finals, then 4 in a row!

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Reply #20 –
Quote from: shadesy – on
Think Rowe has been pretty solid first two games, couldnt help bu think yesterday our best 3 defenders are Weitering, Rowe, White...

Just that we have alot of tall blokes in the backline. We need to shrink slightly. Maybe play Rowe forward. Even if he struggles he'll take a man.

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Reply #21 –
Quote from: laj – on
Just that we have alot of tall blokes in the backline. We need to shrink slightly. Maybe play Rowe forward. Even if he struggles he'll take a man.

Agree laj, that's not a bad play.
 Limitations aside, Rowe (from what I've seen) mostly digs in contest after contest to the best of his abilities.
He's certainly done a tough apprenticeship against the leagues power forwards. Just maybe he could turn that into a strength although he'd need to polish his marking up a bit after focusing on spoiling. Tell him to spoil in a small forwards favour or mark the pill. On the odd occasion he's been steady in front of goals and kicked true. Taking the heat off Levi alone may be worth a try. Because the Bolt's got his goal kicking mojo back, right  ::)
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: Rd 3: Carlton vs Gold Coast: Pre Game Premonitions

Reply #22 –
Quote from: laj – on
Just that we have alot of tall blokes in the backline. We need to shrink slightly. Maybe play Rowe forward. Even if he struggles he'll take a man.

Yet Docherty finds himself standing Buddy?

I didn't see the game but the radio commentators spoke about Sydney's talls stretching our defence.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #23 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Yet Docherty finds himself standing Buddy?

I didn't see the game but the radio commentators spoke about Sydney's talls stretching our defence.
This has happened far too much in the first two rounds. Our back line structure is a shambles where the talls all seem to push too far up the ground and get caught guarding space rather than playing tight man on man defence on the most dangerous opposition forwards. When the opposition move it quickly forward they all get lost in the transition and Simpson, Docherty and Tuohy get left trying to stop someone with a big height and size advantage. Richmond exploited it in the last quarter and always had someone staying deep and Sydney were able to take advantage after their midfield got on top after quarter time.
I think this creates a huge problem for accountability - because none of our tall defenders have a direct opponent a lot of the time and are instead guarding space up the ground. I think the lack of midfield pressure against the swans stems from a similar problem. When we didn't have the ball everyone switched to defending zones rather than putting pressure on the opposition ball carrier or manning up his options. The gold coast did this pretty well against freo and the dogs seem to be the masters of it in 2016. Unfortunately they're our next 2 games.

Re: Rd 3: Carlton vs Gold Coast: Pre Game Premonitions

Reply #24 –
Quote from: Barbs – on
This has happened far too much in the first two rounds. Our back line structure is a shambles where the talls all seem to push too far up the ground and get caught guarding space rather than playing tight man on man defence on the most dangerous opposition forwards. When the opposition move it quickly forward they all get lost in the transition and Simpson, Docherty and Tuohy get left trying to stop someone with a big height and size advantage. Richmond exploited it in the last quarter and always had someone staying deep and Sydney were able to take advantage after their midfield got on top after quarter time.
I think this creates a huge problem for accountability - because none of our tall defenders have a direct opponent a lot of the time and are instead guarding space up the ground. I think the lack of midfield pressure against the swans stems from a similar problem. When we didn't have the ball everyone switched to defending zones rather than putting pressure on the opposition ball carrier or manning up his options. The gold coast did this pretty well against freo and the dogs seem to be the masters of it in 2016. Unfortunately they're our next 2 games.
And Thomas on Buddy? :o
2025... Moir of the same to come

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Reply #25 –
Quote from: laj – on
Just that we have alot of tall blokes in the backline. We need to shrink slightly. Maybe play Rowe forward. Even if he struggles he'll take a man.

Noticed I only said 3 tall defenders there...
"We are a club in a hurry"

#united #reset

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Reply #26 –
Quote from: flyboy77 – on
Disagree,

Just entirely unacceptable when blokes like Gibbs and Everitt go AWOL as and when they seemingly see fit....

Gibbs especially.

What happened to the effort shown against the Tigers?

I think that is unfair...90% of the team put in all day. They came out hard after half time, and fought right to the very end in Junk time, where Malthouse teams would have been blown out by 100+

It was hard work turning the ball over at half forward every time and getting smashed at the stoppages. Effort and competitiveness was there, class was not and it didnt help that our "midfield" leaders didnt want to crack in and were fumbly.
"We are a club in a hurry"

#united #reset

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Reply #27 –
Weitering and Curnow up forward this week with Plowman to come into the back line.
Let the young boys show us how to kick goals.  :)
2025... Moir of the same to come

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Reply #28 –
We're too tall and slow at the minute IMO.

Out - Phillips and White
In - Walker and Byrne

Backs - Jamison, Weitering, Rowe
Forwards - Casboult, C.Curnow, Walker, Everitt
Ruck - Kreuzer (back from Everitt and Casboult)

Might still be too slow down back but with Weiters and Docherty sliding off and intercepting (both had 4 on the weekend) and with Jamo and Rowe 'locking down' on the likes of Lynch and Day we might get some better structure - maybe! Long term it will hopefully be Weitering, Plowman and Glass-McCasker down back.

Up forward - Casboult to play more CHF but also drifting inside forward 50- when required. Not just a lock-in FF as such. Onball at times and taking some grabs across half-back with he and MK would eb handy!

The more mobile set-up of tallish types in Charlie Curnow, Walker, Everitt and Cripps (when resting) is more appealing.

Everitt to go onball and 'ruck'  as a more mobile free-wheeling and extra onballer.

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Reply #29 –
Quote from: crashlander – on
I would be bringing Casey Byrne in and play Zac Tuohy more up the ground.

I am becoming more and more interested in seeing Tuohy played as a permanent half-forward. The reasons are many but not limited to :

1. he can kick long goals
2. he tends to get a little 'lost' whilst in defence
3. he will put some immense pressure on the opposition defenders to regain possession
4. he tackles hard & courageously
5. we always seem to have a surplus of half-backs
6. goal-kicking is our Achilles heel right now
"The Other Teams Can Rot In Hell"