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Re: Rd 4: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs. Western Bulldogs

Reply #135 –
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on
No actually I don't know him, but I know someone that is close to the inner sanctum and what you're posting is plain bullshight, as per usual you have no idea what you are talking about. You rate players by their paycheque,not their output. Clueless.

Yeah, I know a bloke who knows a bloke who knows another bloke too, we all do.
For the millionth time, I couldn't care less what he's getting paid, but on his form so far this season he's in our best 22 easily.
End of story.
The only thing in this world worth more than a hill of beans is the Carlton Football Club.

Re: Rd 4: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs. Western Bulldogs

Reply #136 –
Quote from: blue4life – on
Yeah, I know a bloke who knows a bloke who knows another bloke too, we all do.
For the millionth time, I couldn't care less what he's getting paid, but on his form so far this season he's in our best 22 easily.
End of story.

If you look you goose, I actually praised him for his last quarter and at no stage did I say drop him. What I said was that he left Collingwood for the money and there aint no way he's walking away early and missing out on that cash. That was in response to OTHER posters saying he may do so. Capeesh?
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

Re: Rd 4: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs. Western Bulldogs

Reply #137 –
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on
If you look you goose, I actually praised him for his last quarter and at no stage did I say drop him. What I said was that he left Collingwood for the money and there aint no way he's walking away early and missing out on that cash. That was in response to OTHER posters saying he may do so. Capeesh?

Just on this Thomas thing.

I had a revelation today and it made me angry with the club.

Why did we take Daisy as a FREE AGENT.
Why didn't we trade for him?

Reason being, we didn't get compensation for Eddie Betts leaving because we got Thomas is. Had we have traded for Thomas, we would've still got him AND got compensation for betts leaving.

If Collingwood were never going to match the offer, or couldn't match the offer, why not offer them a trade.
Lets say we traded away a 3rd (or even a 2nd) round pick for Daisy.

They get a 3rd round pick for a player they were going to lose for free anyway. They are happy.
We get Thomas via trade, and thus mean we are eligible for compensation for Betts leaving and possible get a 1st round pick as compensation.

The upshot of it all is, we get a 3rd round pick upgraded to a 1st round pick and still get Thomas.

Why the hell didn't the club do this?

Re: Rd 4: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs. Western Bulldogs

Reply #138 –
Hate to say it but ask your mate Greg Swann. Maybe he struck a deal with Eddie to look after them. Who the fork knows the whole thing is a disaster.
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

Re: Rd 4: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs. Western Bulldogs

Reply #139 –
Just a word on Thomas.

Was at the ground and had good seats and watches a lot of work off the ball.

One thing I noticed was Thomas directs and leads well well works off the ball and from what i saw is respected by all even the senior guys. Was directing simmo where to stand  :o.

I agree he will never be the player he was but I think we might take something from his experience and leadership.

On another point this is why any discussions putting him in the same basket with Gibbs is crap.

One is younger has the body and still the ability but refuses to work hard when the pressure is on while the other doesn't have the body but is a real professional and while his work with footy is only average he sets a great example for the youngsters and I think we still need that sort of player.

Just that if you rate him on what he cost us it's a massive fail -  but if you can get past that we can still get something out of his time in blue.

Re: Rd 4: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs. Western Bulldogs

Reply #140 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Just on this Thomas thing.

I had a revelation today and it made me angry with the club.

Why did we take Daisy as a FREE AGENT.
Why didn't we trade for him?

Reason being, we didn't get compensation for Eddie Betts leaving because we got Thomas is. Had we have traded for Thomas, we would've still got him AND got compensation for betts leaving.

If Collingwood were never going to match the offer, or couldn't match the offer, why not offer them a trade.
Lets say we traded away a 3rd (or even a 2nd) round pick for Daisy.

They get a 3rd round pick for a player they were going to lose for free anyway. They are happy.
We get Thomas via trade, and thus mean we are eligible for compensation for Betts leaving and possible get a 1st round pick as compensation.

The upshot of it all is, we get a 3rd round pick upgraded to a 1st round pick and still get Thomas.

Why the hell didn't the club do this?

Because Collingwood wouldnt hand a 1st round pick via compo to arch enemy Carlton ......not for a 3rd rounder...

They got what they wanted..us saddled with a banged up truck for 4-5 years and less room to move in the cap....in the used car trade they would call us wood ducks....

Re: Rd 4: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs. Western Bulldogs

Reply #141 –
Quote from: shawny – on
On another point this is why any discussions putting him in the same basket with Gibbs is crap. One is younger has the body and still the ability but refuses to work hard when the pressure is on while the other doesn't have the body but is a real professional and while his work with footy is only average he sets a great example for the youngsters and I think we still need that sort of player.

In the end they are both extremely overpaid under-performers. So the comparisons are there for all to see. Both are what's wrong with Carlton, whether it be their fault or not.
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

Re: Rd 4: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs. Western Bulldogs

Reply #142 –
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on
Hate to say it but ask your mate Greg Swann. Maybe he struck a deal with Eddie to look after them. Who the fork knows the whole thing is a disaster.

Trust you to go straight there.

Of course i just worked out why as soon as i posted the above.

That would stop Collingwood from 'earning' compo for Thomas. So it wouldn't benefit them at all.

But yeah sure, blame Swann. Makes about as much sense as everything else you trot out. ::)

Re: Rd 4: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs. Western Bulldogs

Reply #143 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Just a word on Thomas.

On another point this is why any discussions putting him in the same basket with Gibbs is crap.

One is younger has the body and still the ability but refuses to work hard when the pressure is on while the other doesn't have the body but is a real professional and while his work with footy is only average he sets a great example for the youngsters and I think we still need that sort of player.



Sadly that is too true - IIRC his B+F win was in a "contract year", which seems to be indicative
 

Re: Rd 4: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs. Western Bulldogs

Reply #144 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
That would stop Collingwood from 'earning' compo for Thomas. So it wouldn't benefit them at all.

Waite is on fire this season after 23 games and 42 goals in 2015.
Why we wouldn't offer him a decent contract is one thing, why we received zilch for him as a free agent is another entirely.
The only thing in this world worth more than a hill of beans is the Carlton Football Club.

Re: Rd 4: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs. Western Bulldogs

Reply #145 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Trust you to go straight there.

Of course i just worked out why as soon as i posted the above.

That would stop Collingwood from 'earning' compo for Thomas. So it wouldn't benefit them at all.

But yeah sure, blame Swann. Makes about as much sense as everything else you trot out. ::)

You were the one who posed the question numb nuts.
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

Re: Rd 4: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs. Western Bulldogs

Reply #146 –
Quote from: blue4life – on
Waite is on fire this season after 23 games and 42 goals in 2015.
Why we wouldn't offer him a decent contract is one thing, why we received zilch for him as a free agent is another entirely.

Seriously, just kicked his 4th... Enough said
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: Rd 4: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs. Western Bulldogs

Reply #147 –
Quote from: blue4life – on
Waite is on fire this season after 23 games and 42 goals in 2015.
Why we wouldn't offer him a decent contract is one thing, why we received zilch for him as a free agent is another entirely.

How could they possibly compensate us when we woukd only offer him a one year deal? We didn't rate him and we let him go. I get the feeling he would've gone anyway, Malthouse couldn't find a spot in the side for him remember. He was also to blame for everything along with Robbo. Can't blame Waite for wanting away from the tyrant.
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

Re: Rd 4: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs. Western Bulldogs

Reply #148 –
Just amazing Mick couldn't find a spot for him.
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

Re: Rd 4: Post Game Pain: Carlton vs. Western Bulldogs

Reply #149 –
I have read this tread and find some of the comments about Bolton amusing. He will not be going any ware IMHO  this year or even next year if we keep improving and there is light at the end of the tunnel. As an employee of the club Bolton will have KPI's and if he does not meet them then Trigg may give him the heave ho, but I doubt  it very much that that will occur this year or maybe even next year as long as there is improvement. He is a teacher and you can see that he is getting his message across to the players, he is teaching them how to execute the game plan.

I have been a lifelong Carlton supporter and a paid up member for 40+ years. I've hardly missed a game. I would of done almost anything to see Carlton play. If my wife was having a baby on grand final day and Carlton were playing I would be telling her to cross her legs until after the game. I've put up with all of the crap that we have dished out in the past 15 - 20 years, the spoons the crap from opposition supporters I did not care, I was a Blues supporter and proud of it. I have seen 4 flags live and 8 flags in total through my life. Ask any other supporter how many flags they have seen in the last 40 or 50 years. Last year I could not bear to watch any footy, I was so demoralised by what they dished up and all of the other crap that was going on at the club. I went to maybe 4 games and saw 1 win. I did not watch any replays or read the papers. To top it off we finished last for the 4th spoon in the last 15 years.

This year things have turned around a lot after a big off season. Great recruiting, new  assistants and a new coach who comes from the best football team of the last 5 - 10 years. Great marketing, a RESET. I can relate to resets. Working in the IT industry I know that when you reset a pc it starts from scratch, it boots up. A phrase that means you pull yourself up from the bootlaces. It starts at the bottom and it works its way up to the desktop. There are many steps, phases, call them what you want before you get to the desktop. It a long process and things can sometimes go wrong, so there are bumps in the road. Sometimes you have to replace failed or old drivers or uninstall non working applications. Clean out all of the crap before you can get to the desktop and a reliable stable pc. This is all part of the process. Carlton has started at the bottom and is working its way to the desktop it will take time but we are heading in the right direction because the club has RESET.

I went to the game last night and was pissed at their effort in the second quarter and thought a hiding was coming for the rest of the game. But no it didn't. We out played them at their own game in the second half. We won almost all of the stats apart from free kicks, don't get me started, and possessions. We matched it with them and only turnovers cost us. If not for turnovers we would of been a lot closer. If that had of been last year we would of folded like a house of cards and been smashed by 100 point!!! I believe that we are on the right track. We are rebuilding from scratch.

I have watched the replay of the game even though we lost, I don't usually watch replays when we lose  but this year I have made a point to, just to see the green sprouts that Bolton talks about and I can see them. Yes we have some old drivers and applications that are not working and need to be cleaned out but this will take time to do you can't do all in one go. Bolton is the right man for the club no doubt about it he will take up to the promised land and if not he will lay foundations for someone who will in the next 5 years or so.

Something I noticed last night at half time break was a shot of the Carlton rooms with Bolton talking to the players behind closed doors. The room was dark and Bolton was standing in front of the players. At first I was confused as to what was going on. I then realised that he was showing them a replay, video or slide of the game plan or the game. He was teaching them, reinforcing the intricacies about the game plan during the half time break. Now I am not privy to what goes on behind closed doors during  half time breaks, and if this is part and parcel of what teams do, but I thought that this was something that a great leader/teacher does and I was really impressed. It must of worked as I said previously we won the second half and did not go onto been smashed by 100 points as may of been the case last year.

The green sprouts are the new recruits, Whitering, Curnow, Kerriage, Wright, Plowman, Sumner ect they have made a difference so far. They are the new drivers and applications that have started the reset and they are making a difference. I looking forward to the rest of the year, there maybe some glitches along the way and I will be pulling my hair out, what's left of it, but I am confident that we are finally heading in the right direction.

GO BLUES.