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Reply #180 –
Hey I am in China for this one, any thoughts on best way to check out the game? No sports bars etc in this part...?

Re: Rd. 5 - Pre Game Thread - Blues V Dockers

Reply #181 –
Just on that, is it possible that they are doing this by instruction? God forbid but you have to ask the question. Why isn't Bolton ripping into Gibbs and Murphy telling them to win their own ball? He called Murph a tough in and under player just two days ago but if he was that, surely he'd have a few more clearances? Just doesn't make sense.

Can anyone be forked pulling out both Murphy and Jibbs clearance averages in comparison to last year's?
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

Re: Rd. 5 - Pre Game Thread - Blues V Dockers

Reply #182 –
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on
Just on that, is it possible that they are doing this by instruction? God forbid but you have to ask the question. Why isn't Bolton ripping into Gibbs and Murphy telling them to win their own ball? He called Murph a tough in and under player just two days ago but if he was that, surely he'd have a few more clearances? Just doesn't make sense.

Can anyone be forked pulling out both Murphy and Jibbs clearance averages in comparison to last year's?

I've been saying this for a while. It's simply not possible for coaches and others at the club to not notice the things that are discussed on here. They are either playing to instruction, or else they have some serious dirt on various club power brokers.  It's simply not possible for them to hoodwink everyone, season after season after season.
 

Re: Rd. 5 - Pre Game Thread - Blues V Dockers

Reply #183 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
I've been saying this for a while. It's simply not possible for coaches and others at the club to not notice the things that are discussed on here. They are either playing to instruction, or else they have some serious dirt on various club power brokers.  It's simply not possible for them to hoodwink everyone, season after season after season.

Well maybe Bolton is doing the smart thing and refraining from publicly criticising his senior players until season's end when he can trade them. We have no idea what is said behind closed doors now that Mick isn't in charge. :P
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

Re: Rd. 5 - Pre Game Thread - Blues V Dockers

Reply #184 –
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on
Just on that, is it possible that they are doing this by instruction? God forbid but you have to ask the question. Why isn't Bolton ripping into Gibbs and Murphy telling them to win their own ball? He called Murph a tough in and under player just two days ago but if he was that, surely he'd have a few more clearances? Just doesn't make sense.

Can anyone be forked pulling out both Murphy and Jibbs clearance averages in comparison to last year's?

Murphy
2016 - 1.2
2015 - 4.3

Gibbs
2016 - 2.2
2015 - 4.9

Cripps
2016 - 8.8
2015 - 6.6

Graham
2016 - 1.2
2015 - 3.2

Curnow
2016 - 3.2
2015 - 2.6

Re: Rd. 5 - Pre Game Thread - Blues V Dockers

Reply #185 –
Wow, they are some damning statistics. Who's fault? Players or coach?

Cheers.
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

Re: Rd. 5 - Pre Game Thread - Blues V Dockers

Reply #186 –
Quote from: Robblues – on
Hey I am in China for this one, any thoughts on best way to check out the game? No sports bars etc in this part...?
Probably your best bet is on the 'net.
AFL.com.au send through stats and stuff. It is a frustrating way to deal with the game, but better than nothing.
There are other options on the 'net, some of which supply live vision. I can't remember their names: they are memory hogs (no surprise) and we run out of memory if I use them.  :-[
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: Rd. 5 - Pre Game Thread - Blues V Dockers

Reply #187 –
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on
Wow, they are some damning statistics. Who's fault? Players or coach?

Cheers.

Don't know. Maybe it's not relevant, but Judd and Murph were comparable for clearances in 2011 and 2012 :

2011 : Judd 6.63, Murph 5.38. Both played 24 games.
2012 : Judd 5.76, Murph 5.56. Murph played 16 games, Judd 17.

Murph has definitely gone into his shell. Injuries etc. have definitely taken their toll.

Re: Rd. 5 - Pre Game Thread - Blues V Dockers

Reply #188 –
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on
Wow, they are some damning statistics. Who's fault? Players or coach?

Cheers.

That's the debate isn't it.

Personally i've been saying its the players fault for a while now (hence where the 'sticking up for mick' came from)

Some people think its easier to change coach, after coach, after coach despite the same players remaining with the same lack of effort/consistency.

IMO it goes back to culture again.
1. Pagan, although hamstrung financially, didn't reign players in enough (read fevola as #1) and allowed things to get out of hand.
2. Too far out of hand for a rookie coach to turnaround, even if he was a favourite son.
3. What we needed was a hard nosed individual who knew how to setup a club. Unfortunately players and powerbrokers didn't give him the support/dedication he required and we were doomed.
4. We tried everyones mate in Barker briefly, but once the honeymoon period wore off, same old crape.
5. So we get the best new thing going around to do a proper rebuild. Came from the best team going around who has had sustained success. Got off to a good start in the off-season with delistings/recruiting and seems to have the new blokes on board, be that draftees or trades in. However, we are still falling short with the senior blokes.

The one constant throughout ALL of that is the (now) senior blokes. Murphy, Gibbs, Walker, Kreuzer...

How many coaches do we have to kill before we realise its not a coach thing?!

Of everyone above, Bolton has the best chance to succeed. The majority of the 'old blokes' are gone and a fair chunk of the 'riff raff' have been sent packing. We have the bench bunch of kids from this years draft and a superstar in Cripps to build around. If we cannot get back from here, you simply have to send blokes like Murphy/Gibbs packing for more draft kids who Bolton can start afresh with.

Re: Rd. 5 - Pre Game Thread - Blues V Dockers

Reply #189 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Don't know. Maybe it's not relevant, but Judd and Murph were comparable for clearances in 2011 and 2012 :

2011 : Judd 6.63, Murph 5.38. Both played 24 games.
2012 : Judd 5.76, Murph 5.56. Murph played 16 games, Judd 17.

Murph has definitely gone into his shell. Injuries etc. have definitely taken their toll.

No heart. If that's the case, please retire and free up some cap space for someone that doesn't carry around a shell.
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

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Reply #190 –
@kruddler

Mick gutted the list mate, and as it turns out, if what you say is correct, he ditched the wrong players!

There was nothing wrong with Ratten, he achieved many things, you just need to go back to your Ratten's objectives thread. ;)
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

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Reply #191 –
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots – on
@kruddler

Mick gutted the list mate, and as it turns out, if what you say is correct, he ditched the wrong players!

There was nothing wrong with Ratten, he achieved many things, you just need to go back to your Ratten's objectives thread. ;)

He gutted it because it needed to be gutted. Too many passengers. Too many individuals.
Same thing that Bolton did.
If Mick had've ditched Henderson, Yarran, Bell, Menzel the pitchforks would be out in force! Because Bolton has done it....he gets the ok.
If Mick was allowed the freedom than maybe we wouldn't be where we are now.

What would you prefer to hear? The problem at the moment is Bolton??

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Reply #192 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
He gutted it because it needed to be gutted. Too many passengers. Too many individuals.
Same thing that Bolton did.
If Mick had've ditched Henderson, Yarran, Bell, Menzel the pitchforks would be out in force! Because Bolton has done it....he gets the ok.
If Mick was allowed the freedom than maybe we wouldn't be where we are now.

What would you prefer to hear? The problem at the moment is Bolton??

C'mon Kruddler, Malthouse was allowed all sorts of freedom, Daisy, Jones, Tutt, Everitt who he even flew to see.

As for the others Henderson wanted to go, Bell wanted to go, Yarran wanted to go and Menzel wasn't a hard worker, something MM must have tolerared as he got a game weekly. Don't re write history to support your arguement

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Reply #193 –
Mick clearly got rid of the the wrong players because the problem is worse than ever! And not to mention all those players wanting to go.

Anyway, this thread is about to turn into possibly the 3 millionth MM thread so let's not go there. ;D
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

Re: Rd. 5 - Pre Game Thread - Blues V Dockers

Reply #194 –
Quote from: Raydan – on
C'mon Kruddler, Malthouse was allowed all sorts of freedom, Daisy, Jones, Tutt, Everitt who he even flew to see.

As for the others Henderson wanted to go, Bell wanted to go, Yarran wanted to go and Menzel wasn't a hard worker, something MM must have tolerared as he got a game weekly. Don't re write history to support your arguement

Why did they want to go?
No, not because they didn't like Mick. They left after Mick was gone! Don't rewrite history to support yours.
They left because we were on their back about 'putting in' and they couldn't handle it. We thought it was in the clubs best interests to move on players who were not committed. Good riddance.

White puts in, was kept.
Ditto Army.

There is a very clear pattern of the players we kept and what they offer.
There is a very clear pattern of the players we let go and what they offer.

All the players who have been moved onto other clubs gave the club a reason to do so. This goes back further than Mick to include Fev.

Take a step back, look at the big picture and notice the patterns than span across multiple coaches. Its as clear as day.

EDIT:
Forgot to add this....What do you think would have happened if Mick went to the board and said he wanted to trade away Gibbs? Murphy??
What do think would happen now if Bolton asked the same thing?