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Re: Rd 16: Post Game _________: Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #45 –
Quote from: laj – on
Yes, Jaksch in, Phillips out. Drop Everitt and Walker and bring in a couple of runners.

I'd have Jaksch and Jones both in along with Gowers and one of Buckley or Boekhorst...

Re: Rd 16: Post Game _________: Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #46 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
I'd have Jaksch and Jones both in along with Gowers and one of Buckley or Boekhorst...

Might have to. Levi might get a holiday as I think he has been fined twice already.

Re: Rd 16: Post Game Pessimism: Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #47 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
DJC, being at the ground could you determine what role Everitt and Walker played today (I don't count SOJ in this)... what role are they playing in the forward set up? Why were they constantly out of position when the ball was worked forward?  Where was Lamb in the set up, isn't he supposed to be the specialist deck level option?

IMO opinion I'd play a larger marking tall (Jaksch or Jones) to provide a focal point because neither of the above are supplying a consistent marking target, deck level ball winning ability or pressure on the ball carrier exiting defence.  Personally I'd play Jaksch because he runs at the ball carrier.

I realise he hasn't been setting the world on fire but Boekhorst might give us a point of difference as well in the forward half.

Everitt played on the wing for most of the game.  He ran with MacKay for quite a bit and had a few stints in forward line.  All of his possessions were collected between back pocket and just outside the forward 50.

Walker spent a bit of time on the wing too but played mainly as a forward.  At times he was playing as the second key forward but mainly as the third tall.  He made good position a couple of times but was generally swamped by defenders.

Lamb was around and about but doesn't seem to be able to hit the contest as the ball comes to ground.  He seems to get into space occasionally but doesn't do a lot.

I'd bring in Jones and Jaksch with the latter as a swingman.  Gowers would be at halfback and Boekhorst would be wing/half forward. Out would go Lamb, Sumner, Everitt and Thomas.  Weitering might be better for a spell too.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: Rd 16: Post Game Pessimism: Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #48 –
As mentioned on the radio call, we started each qtr in fine style then faded away. You'd have to think that when others work so hard to get it forward and it comes back with interest that effort will wane (sometimes that is due to poor disposal and sometimes because we just aint got the cattle).

And here's the dilemma, focus on the future or winning as they do appear to be two different directions in some regards? Clearly we do better with two tall forwards as evidenced when Jones was running around with Levi... it took some pressure off Levi and gave the defence something else to think about, and Jones did hit the scoreboard. BUT, perhaps the club has decided that Jones and Jaksch won't be at PP next year so why invest game time into them... preferable to get time into Charlie and Harry when ready. Kreuzer and Phillips don't do very much when resting forward. Who knows what the MCs reason is for not giving either Jones or Jaksch a call up. Like the seniors those two also have to contend with pretty ordinary disposal from up field.

And what about Thomas, Walker and Everitt? For different reasons each was a liability today. Who replaces those three?

Lamb and Sumner were patchy today (though both do look like being very good for our future) with the lack of a pre season taking its toll.

And Kerridge needs loads of work on his disposal... it has become just about normal place now that when he's involved in the play we expect fumbles and below parr disposal skills to be displayed.

Fortunately most supporters can see the vast improvement in endeavour and that there really does seem to be a game plan/strategy in place, it's just that our 'bottom 6' in any given game are just so off the pace and dragging others down with them.

Yep, early days in the rebuild and another big culling has to take place at season's end.

Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: Rd 16: Post Game Pessimism: Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #49 –
Sumner is not good enough and will take Tutts place as a back up player in 2017.

I don't mind Lamb but dont see him as that potent small forward but goes ok.

Thomas and Walker look like they're on their last legs...

Everitt is a decent footsoldier but is horrible when not in form

We all love the Cas but like Everitt just woeful when out of form.

Kerridge is hard at it and I admire his style of play but ball handling and skills not at AFL standard.

Big Sauce took Kreuzer to the cleaners.. Kreuzer really should have won that battle but got out rucked and goals kicked on him.. just not good enough.

Re: Rd 16: Post Game Pessimism: Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #50 –
Quote from: pinot – on
Sumner is not good enough and will take Tutts place as a back up player in 2017.

I don't mind Lamb but dont see him as that potent small forward but goes ok.

Sumner is OK and is a certainty baring injury.

Lamb was a liability today.

What they both need is more quality around them, get some hard, fast bodies around them and blokes who can pull the trigger on time and they will both go up a level.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"
 

Re: Rd 16: Post Game Pessimism: Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #51 –
Sumner is a banana...

Re: Rd 16: Post Game Pessimism: Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #53 –
Getting a little worried our premiership hopes are fading. ;D

Re: Rd 16: Post Game Pessimism: Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #55 –
Just back from the G. First game I have seen live this year due to ill health and work. Had a great vantage point and I had a good hard look at our group.

Top 4 team playing a BOTTOM 4 team.....Cannot believe the game has changed so much. You can waffle on about forwards as much as you like but the game now is basically a rolling scrum played inside half a ground and when the ball is in won its a major sprint to get clear up forward...

Observations -
Backline was a positive; considering our midfields lack of pressure I believe they can hold their heads up. Simmo is unbelievable.

Midfield tried but was overrun by more skill and BIGGER bodies. Thought Cripps tried hard and Curnow was his usual self. MK tried his arse off and cannot have people bagging him. Gibbs, not to sure today.

Forward line is not really a forward line as they don't set up that way. Levi tried hard but  wasnt really a day for forwards!!!! Armfield great effort.

Going forward -

Glad I'm not the coach.
Need a class Ruckman...
Need a couple of line breaking midfielders who can spot a target
Goodbye Mr Everett....surely that was it today
Silvani will be great, some of his efforts today wow.

Not all doom and gloom, we have a great coach with limited cattle.......need SOS to go hard again with the draft and trade. Reckon we will turn over another 10 or so next year.

56 now and 1995 is starting to fade, be












Re: Rd 16: Post Game Pessimism: Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #56 –
Endeavour - thought the team tried hard all day

Skill - excruciating, particularly when it needed to be good

Re: Rd 16: Post Game Pessimism: Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #57 –
This is the best thing that could've happened to us.
Makes the hard but right list management decisions SOS and Bolts have to make so much easier, separates the men from the boys, and doesn't tempt us to overestimate our list ala 2004 after an unexpected 10 win season.
Hoping to see kids like C. Curnow, Jacksh, Gowers, DVR, Cunningham and McKay in the last few months of the season.
Would rather expose them to AFL than persist with never weres and has beens like Everritt, Walker and Levi

Re: Rd 16: Post Game Pessimism: Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #58 –
Quote from: Hobieone – on
Just back from the G. First game I have seen live this year due to ill health and work. Had a great vantage point and I had a good hard look at our group.

Top 4 team playing a BOTTOM 4 team.....Cannot believe the game has changed so much. You can waffle on about forwards as much as you like but the game now is basically a rolling scrum played inside half a ground and when the ball is in won its a major sprint to get clear up forward...

Observations -
Backline was a positive; considering our midfields lack of pressure I believe they can hold their heads up. Simmo is unbelievable.

Midfield tried but was overrun by more skill and BIGGER bodies. Thought Cripps tried hard and Curnow was his usual self. MK tried his arse off and cannot have people bagging him. Gibbs, not to sure today.

Forward line is not really a forward line as they don't set up that way. Levi tried hard but  wasnt really a day for forwards!!!! Armfield great effort.

Going forward -

Glad I'm not the coach.
Need a class Ruckman...
Need a couple of line breaking midfielders who can spot a target
Goodbye Mr Everett....surely that was it today
Silvani will be great, some of his efforts today wow.

Not all doom and gloom, we have a great coach with limited cattle.......need SOS to go hard again with the draft and trade. Reckon we will turn over another 10 or so next year.

56 now and 1995 is starting to fade, be

Went tall last year so next we have to load up on midfielders.

Re: Rd 16: Post Game Pessimism: Carlton vs Adelaide

Reply #59 –
Quote from: Dominator_7 – on
This is the best thing that could've happened to us.
Makes the hard but right list management decisions SOS and Bolts have to make so much easier, separates the men from the boys, and doesn't tempt us to overestimate our list ala 2004 after an unexpected 10 win season.

We are ok against sides our standard or lower but this big 6 week stretch of really hard games will give us a chance weekly to see our weaknesses unfold before us.