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Re: Garlett Dropped Last Week For Disciplinary Reasons

Reply #45 –
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Yarran showed some poor body language after being asked to wear the sub vest.

Media pick up on it (commentators on game day noticed) and then proceed to ask about it in the press conference.

Mick responds to the question.

It's how he responds to the question. Remember when Murphy was getting goals kicked on him? And Mick was questioned in the media? He stuck up for him or at least deflected from the problem at hand. Same with Waite (before we lost the following game). He has taken different paths with different players. Making Yarran the sub was just taking the pi55. If he was playing equal, he would've made Murphy play a run with role the follwing week, that would be the equivalent. Yes it hurts the side but it's all about improving the player. Isn't that what Micks getting at? Or is it different for every player?

Blokes like me are prepared face reality and accept that our list is just not that good. The glaring holes are so obvious and what MM has delivered this year I think is on par with our list.  I guess you disagree.  I will state it now that if we don’t improve in 2 years time and the list has not been turned over I will be pointing the finger at the coach.  Im expecting big improvements next year and If not I will probably starting question things.

As for the 3 players, Jeffy has had a very good year but has fallen away the last quarter, eddie a stinker and Yarran personally I think not to bad apart from some crap he has dished up.  Should he be played of HB yep but who know MM will have a few plans up sleeve if we make finals.   

Also I don’t get the impression from anyone part from Yarran that they have an issue with the coach.  I think Judd comments a week or two ago are pretty telling in that.

Re: Garlett Dropped Last Week For Disciplinary Reasons

Reply #46 –
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Quote from: marciblue on
It is extremely disappointing that Eddie, Jeff and Chris has all seemingly been unable to cope with MM and have crumbled in varying degrees when the blowtorch was placed on them in regards to discipline and application. This week may be the last game they play together

Do you think that says a lot more of their character than MM as a coach?

I think it has more to do with their character. It just seems like another example of the fragility and softness of the group in general and as highlighted here – Eddie, Jeff and Chris.
In particular Chris who is proving to be a very frustrating talent. Inconsistent and failing to live up to his potential and make any acceptable incremental gains as an AFL player year after year. At this stage of his career he should be well advanced to where he is now.
Jeff’s indiscretion is deplorable and cannot be tolerated. Eddie has been a marvellous servant and I am a big fan but his contract demands are excessive. He has been disappointing this year – perhaps unable to come to grips with MM and a generous contract elsewhere could be a convenient exit from Carlton

Mick needs to be given some time to implement his mantra and dictate his values to the group. The boys should be made of sterner stuff and take it on the chin.

Re: Garlett Dropped Last Week For Disciplinary Reasons

Reply #47 –
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots on
Quote from: Thryleon on
Yarran showed some poor body language after being asked to wear the sub vest.

Media pick up on it (commentators on game day noticed) and then proceed to ask about it in the press conference.

Mick responds to the question.

It's how he responds to the question. Remember when Murphy was getting goals kicked on him? And Mick was questioned in the media? He stuck up for him or at least deflected from the problem at hand. Same with Waite (before we lost the following game). He has taken different paths with different players. Making Yarran the sub was just taking the pi55. If he was playing equal, he would've made Murphy play a run with role the follwing week, that would be the equivalent. Yes it hurts the side but it's all about improving the player. Isn't that what Micks getting at? Or is it different for every player?
All I did was answer this post:

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It's drivel and how did Yarran create his own public attention? That is a great example of unsubstantiated drivel right there. Kudos.

This is how he created his own public attention.  Read the post, not just the bit you dont like.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Garlett Dropped Last Week For Disciplinary Reasons

Reply #48 –
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Quote from: Thryleon on
Media pick up on it (commentators on game day noticed) and then proceed to ask about it in the press conference.

Mick responds to the question.

It's a question from a journo. Not a royal commission. He isn't obliged to answer and he is quite happy to throw all sorts of ox tales and seagull theories around to avoid answering other questions.

It just seems like last resort and panic time stuff when you start breaking away from being in it together and not standing up for your guy to an external party.

Again, all I did, was show you how Yarran created the public attention.

Seriously, follow the conversation in the topic.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Garlett Dropped Last Week For Disciplinary Reasons

Reply #49 –
Quote from: shadesy on
Quote from: c4e on
Quote from: The Fangalis on
Do you think that says a lot more of their character than MM as a coach?

Depends which side of the fence people think
Personally, and not being a huge fan of MM, I'd say the former

@Thry

I was clearly trolling...sorry.

Yep I can agree with this c4e

??

I dont understand, and I dont mind.  I dont take anything on internet forums overly personal.  Just please dont give me the sub vest!
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Garlett Dropped Last Week For Disciplinary Reasons

Reply #50 –
If he did what was said to have happened then he deserved to be dropped. 

If it was the leadership group that made the call then it would seem to be heading in the right direction.
Excuses year 1, blame year 2, contract extention year 3........

Re: Garlett Dropped Last Week For Disciplinary Reasons

Reply #51 –
Quote from: marciblue on
In particular Chris who is proving to be a very frustrating talent. Inconsistent and failing to live up to his potential and make any acceptable incremental gains as an AFL player year after year. At this stage of his career he should be well advanced to where he is now.

See this is what pi55e5 me off (not you specifically Marci) but people in general looking at this year and saying Yarran hasn't been improving when in reality it's just this year his improvement has halted. He was actually quite well advanced last season IMO.
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

Re: Garlett Dropped Last Week For Disciplinary Reasons

Reply #52 –
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots on
Quote from: marciblue on
In particular Chris who is proving to be a very frustrating talent. Inconsistent and failing to live up to his potential and make any acceptable incremental gains as an AFL player year after year. At this stage of his career he should be well advanced to where he is now.

See this is what pi55e5 me off (not you specifically Marci) but people in general looking at this year and saying Yarran hasn't been improving when in reality it's just this year his improvement has halted. He was actually quite well advnaced last season IMO.

What do you think yarran mental approach is in comparison to say a K Jack or C Judd or anyone else of that ilk.  Do you think he approaches the game and training with the same attitude?  Clearly not and that answers the reason why he going through the motions until he changes his mindset he will coast and his talent will allow him to JUST get by

Re: Garlett Dropped Last Week For Disciplinary Reasons

Reply #53 –
He's 22 years old and some Indigenous players do tend to take a little time and a little nurturing. Given the right development he would be well worth it.
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

Re: Garlett Dropped Last Week For Disciplinary Reasons

Reply #54 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
Quote from: ItsOurTime on
Quote from: Thryleon on
Media pick up on it (commentators on game day noticed) and then proceed to ask about it in the press conference.

Mick responds to the question.

It's a question from a journo. Not a royal commission. He isn't obliged to answer and he is quite happy to throw all sorts of ox tales and seagull theories around to avoid answering other questions.

It just seems like last resort and panic time stuff when you start breaking away from being in it together and not standing up for your guy to an external party.

Again, all I did, was show you how Yarran created the public attention.

Seriously, follow the conversation in the topic.

I didn't realise that the next logical step was so hard to make. Is now any action which draws "public attention" open to slamming in the media by the coach? Where is Murphy not going hard enough, Gibbs not running hard enough and Kreuzer not showing enough aggression at the contest from the coach?

Like I said, he avoids plenty of questions - why not that one?

Re: Garlett Dropped Last Week For Disciplinary Reasons

Reply #55 –
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots on
He's 22 years old and some Indigenous players do tend to take a little time and a little nurturing. Given the right development he would be well worth it.

What about  Wingard, Prestia, Omera, Cameron. 

Your missing the point and failing to accept his application is all wrong regardless of liking the coach or not. 

For the record – I think he is an awesome player when on and love watching him but I would be open to trade if the right one came. But it would have to be good. 

Re: Garlett Dropped Last Week For Disciplinary Reasons

Reply #56 –
Quote from: The Fangalis on
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots on
He's 22 years old and some Indigenous players do tend to take a little time and a little nurturing. Given the right development he would be well worth it.

What about  Wingard, Prestia, Omera, Cameron. 

Your missing the point and failing to accept his application is all wrong regardless of liking the coach or not. 


No you're missing the point. Yarran needs to be nurtured, I'm happy for him not to be but taking it to the other extreme and using him as a public scapegoat? Sheer lunacy.
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!

Re: Garlett Dropped Last Week For Disciplinary Reasons

Reply #57 –
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots on
Quote from: The Fangalis on
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots on
He's 22 years old and some Indigenous players do tend to take a little time and a little nurturing. Given the right development he would be well worth it.

What about  Wingard, Prestia, Omera, Cameron. 

Your missing the point and failing to accept his application is all wrong regardless of liking the coach or not. 


No you're missing the point. Yarran needs to be nurtured, I'm happy for him not to be but taking it to the other extreme and using him as a public scapegoat? Sheer lunacy.

Nurtured?? For what FFS he is a grown man not a baby on his mum boob

To work hard, apply your self commit to going 100% does not require nurturing just a choice…

Re: Garlett Dropped Last Week For Disciplinary Reasons

Reply #58 –
Quote from: The Fangalis on
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots on
Quote from: The Fangalis on
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots on
He's 22 years old and some Indigenous players do tend to take a little time and a little nurturing. Given the right development he would be well worth it.

What about  Wingard, Prestia, Omera, Cameron. 

Your missing the point and failing to accept his application is all wrong regardless of liking the coach or not. 


No you're missing the point. Yarran needs to be nurtured, I'm happy for him not to be but taking it to the other extreme and using him as a public scapegoat? Sheer lunacy.

Nurtured?? For what FFS he is a grown man not a baby on his mum boob

To work hard, apply your self commit to going 100% does not require nurturing just a choice…


You're so wrong it's just not funny. There are many many other factors involved other than just simply working hard. Like I said, I too don't beleive Yarran should be nurtured to that extent but to go to the other extreme is extremely disappointing and shows a certain element of CBF from where I sit.
Ignorance is bliss.

ONWARDS AND UPWARDS!
 

Re: Garlett Dropped Last Week For Disciplinary Reasons

Reply #59 –
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots on
Quote from: The Fangalis on
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots on
Quote from: The Fangalis on
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots on
He's 22 years old and some Indigenous players do tend to take a little time and a little nurturing. Given the right development he would be well worth it.

What about  Wingard, Prestia, Omera, Cameron. 

Your missing the point and failing to accept his application is all wrong regardless of liking the coach or not. 


No you're missing the point. Yarran needs to be nurtured, I'm happy for him not to be but taking it to the other extreme and using him as a public scapegoat? Sheer lunacy.

Nurtured?? For what FFS he is a grown man not a baby on his mum boob

To work hard, apply your self commit to going 100% does not require nurturing just a choice…


You're so wrong it's just not funny. There are many many other factors involved other than just simply working hard. Like I said, I too don't beleive Yarran should be nurtured to that extent but to go to the other extreme is extremely disappointing and shows a certain element of CBF from where I sit.

agree to disagree