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Reply #180 –
Glad we chose to go to the NBs game today instead of the seniors! At least we saw a win and some pretty good footy for this time of the year. (NBs won by 11 pts).

Encouraging signs were sparse for the seniors today, though I thought Polson and Macreadie showed enough to suggest they'll be senior players. In fact I'd put Polson in front of Cuningham and Boekhorst (Lucas 2 and 3? ;)) at this stage. You'd think that C Curnow is going to be a ripper - hope the injury is not bad. Cripps will be better for the run.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: JLT Game 2

Reply #181 –
Noticed this today - Has there ever been a list with less under 26 year old talent then us?

Reckon we have about 6 in this bracket tops, with 5-6 in the over 27 bracket.

We have a handful of promising kids (like every team had) but once Simmo and co hang up the boots there's very little sitting behind them.

Cripps Doc Weitering Plowman and Bryne then there's daylight.

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Reply #182 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Most of us are already there.

No Simmo, Doc, Murph, Gibbs, Krooz. Today is a good reason why you don't play too many kids at once. Bolts stated in the after match comments :

 "There's some young kids who couldn't hold on for more than a quarter and a half today, but we'll challenge them to do that.

"For them to get better, we need to expose them to develop them. Within that, we will challenge (the things) they need to improve on."

The Aints were missing just as many of their starting 22, so who's out is no excuse.

In any case, who is who and who is in or out doesn't stop players making an effort even if it's just for their own self-respect. But I didn't see any self-respect, pride or professionalism, which is a massive worry!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #183 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Noticed this today - Has there ever been a list with less under 26 year old talent then us?

Reckon we have about 6 in this bracket tops, with 5-6 in the over 27 bracket.

We have a handful of promising kids (like every team had) but once Simmo and co hang up the boots there's very little sitting behind them.

Cripps Doc Weitering Plowman and Bryne then there's daylight.

Not sure if you watched fox footy, but David King has been doing an graphical list analysis of each teams players in relation to other teams.

It is broken down by age and uses some kind of 'ranking points' and a % is assigned to each individual player, either positive or negative in relation to other players in the same age and position as him.

Example...
Weitering was +35%. Meaning for all defenders of his age, he is 35% better than average.
Simpsons was similar. Above average for his age and position, as you'd expect.
I think Cripps was our highest player with 40-45% above players of same age and position.

OK, so over the whole list, i think anything that is roughly 5%+/- is ignored.

The saints had 15 players who were deemed to be above average for their age/position.
Carlton had 5 (or 6?).

FYI, the positives were Weitering, Simpson, Cripps, Gibbs, Docherty (and maybe 1 other).
Negatives included Kreuzer and Murphy....and obviously a whole lot of others.

In a nutshell, as a rule, our whole list is underperforming and/or simply not up to the level required.

Re: JLT Game 2

Reply #184 –
Quote from: cookie2 – on
I can only think that BB MAY have used this and last game to show players just how far off we are as an AFL force and how much work we have to do? Dispel any possible complacency. If that was the aim then it has been very successful.   ::)

If that was the idea then it was a cr@p one!

That's very much (part of) what Bolts said post-match.
The  PS gives exposure to the youngsters, who otherwise only guess at what it takes. It challenges players to realise the real work ahead. Gone are the days one rests on ones laurels or club reputation. (Actually i think those days were over years ago). The real work has just started. WL will be just one of many measures of progress.

With that all in mind, I think its time for a nice cold drink.
That'll make reading this site all the more entertaining. It's just a trial run for the kids. No more no less. Whilst the youngsters get exposure some of the seniors get exposed. This is gold for the development crew and selectors alike.
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

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Reply #185 –
Quote from: LoveNavy – on
That's very much (part of) what Bolts said post-match.
The  PS gives exposure to the youngsters, who otherwise only guess at what it takes. It challenges players to realise the real work ahead. Gone are the days one rests on ones laurels or club reputation. (Actually i think those days were over years ago). The real work has just started. WL will be just one of many measures of progress.

With that all in mind, I think its time for a nice cold drink.
That'll make reading this site all the more entertaining. It's just a trial run for the kids. No more no less. Whilst the youngsters get exposure some of the seniors get exposed. This is gold for the development crew and selectors alike.

Yes - whilst the last fortnight has been lousy, we should really be holding fire until a few weeks into the real season.

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Reply #186 –
Bolts may say "it's about challenging the kids to hold on for more than a quarter and a bit", but what's the excuse for the more senior types' lack of performance?  That they are simply crap and that he can't until the end of the year to shed more of them?
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

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Reply #187 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
Bolts may say "it's about challenging the kids to hold on for more than a quarter and a bit", but what's the excuse for the more senior types' lack of performance?  That they are simply crap and that he can't until the end of the year to shed more of them?

For our collective sanity, let's hope this is just a symptom of a deliberate "chilled attitude" to the pre season, and not a sign of what to expect for the rest of the year.

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Reply #188 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Most of us are already there.

No Simmo, Doc, Murph, Gibbs, Krooz. Today is a good reason why you don't play too many kids at once. Bolts stated in the after match comments :

 "There's some young kids who couldn't hold on for more than a quarter and a half today, but we'll challenge them to do that.

"For them to get better, we need to expose them to develop them. Within that, we will challenge (the things) they need to improve on."

Think I'd like to win a  quarter or two rather than " hang on".....

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Reply #189 –
Look, don't throw the baby out with the bath water. We were ordinary today (something of an understatement), but we were missing most of our primary drivers. We were blooding young kids and it showed.
I was disappointed by some of the more senior players, but there were SOME good signs:
[1] Tom Williamson:
This kid is the youngest player on an AFL list at the moment. He had limited game time and looked good. I was impressed by his run and his ability with both feet.
He has a LONG way to go, he is only a kid, but he showed that he has a future.

[2] Harrison MacReadie:
This lad is still pretty raw, but he showed plenty. he has a nice mark and a nice kick. He looked like the guy I saw in 2015, the one filled with potential.

[3] Caleb Marchbank:
We made a good decision to get this guy. He will play a lot of games for us.

[4] Cameron Polson:
He was a boy sent out to do a man's job, and you could tell. But he wasn't that bad: everything he completed hit a target.

[5] Zac Fisher:
Look at the pace and the endeavour. He will be a player.

[6] Matt Korchek:
Particularly early in the game, he rucked pretty well. It was not his fault our midfield was getting smashed. he got his hand on the ball more often that a MUCH higher ranked opponent and did not allow him to have ANY influence around the ground.
This may not sound like much, but our other 'ruckman' was Sam Rowe, who should have been at FB. Rowe tried his guts out, but Longer had it all over him athletically at the centre bounce. Korchek did well in this area.

As for the rest:
Kerridge tried hard, but fumbles too much.
Ed Curnow got a bit of the ball, but was as ineffective as I have seen him.
Weitering looks to be warming up. He took 9 marks and did some nice things.
Plowman was OK, but not up to last year's form yet.
Armfield tried his guts out and did some nice things.
Smedts did better than I thought he would. He survived and will only get better.
Palmer needs some work, but was about as good as any of us got.

Buckley got injured early.
Boekhorst did a couple of nice things, but he doesn't do enough. I do not expect t see him on our list in 2018.
Nick Graham was not our worst, but he did struggle to have an impact.
Jed Lamb serious underperformed. He needs to do a LOT more to retain his spot.
Charlie Curnow: what was the lad doing? He did some really good things, then he tried to be Kouta, was caught and penalized. His kicking was woeful.
Simon White: for much of the day, he was one of our better players. However, he made more mistakes than usual, mostly just before he got injured.
Sam Rowe: exposed as a ruckman, he needs to play in a spot. Like FB.
Patrick Cripps: really off the pace and needed the run. He will be better for it.
Liam Jones tried hard, but we moved the ball so poorly that he had no chance. Even after he took mark of the day. He ended up in the ruck and struggled on Longer.
Harry McKay: get him on the kicking program now.
Live Long and Prosper!

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Reply #190 –
Bolton mentioned our "poor discipline". I thought we were good considering the BS umpiring today, the bloke who pinged White when he got hit high should be horse whipped.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

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Reply #191 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
Glad we chose to go to the NBs game today instead of the seniors! At least we saw a win and some pretty good footy for this time of the year. (NBs won by 11 pts).

Encouraging signs were sparse for the seniors today, though I thought Polson and Macreadie showed enough to suggest they'll be senior players. In fact I'd put Polson in front of Cuningham and Boekhorst (Lucas 2 and 3? ;)) at this stage. You'd think that C Curnow is going to be a ripper - hope the injury is not bad. Cripps will be better for the run.

Agree..MacReadie has a go and Polson will put his head over the ball.....we need to give Cunningham opportunities as we need his type of run and carry but so far he has been disappointing with his work rate IMO.
Lacks a bit of grunt and needs to pick up his intensity, not much from him in the 2nd effort dept...

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Reply #192 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Agree..MacReadie has a go and Polson will put his head over the ball.....we need to give Cunningham opportunities as we need his type of run and carry but so far he has been disappointing with his work rate IMO.
Lacks a bit of grunt and needs to pick up his intensity, not much from him in the 2nd effort dept...

We're on the same page here, EB1. Polson can actually weave and escape with the aggot, considering his limited game time he did really well. Like what I saw of he, MacReadie and Williamson. Cuningham is frustrating as he has the ability but as you rightly observe his second efforts are simply limp and this combined with a sad lack of intent/intensity is really disappointing.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: JLT Game 2

Reply #193 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Noticed this today - Has there ever been a list with less under 26 year old talent then us?

Reckon we have about 6 in this bracket tops, with 5-6 in the over 27 bracket.

We have a handful of promising kids (like every team had) but once Simmo and co hang up the boots there's very little sitting behind them.

Cripps Doc Weitering Plowman and Bryne then there's daylight.

It's the lack of young mids that worries me. After murph, Cripps and Gibbs, who is coming through??? Cunningham? Boekurst?  I had hopes for summer, with a full preseason, but he is kicking dew at the moment.  Where are our gun kids who can get 20 posses on a wing and look classy, every other team seems to have them. Hopefully Sam ps is as good as advertised!!!   Those few poor drafts have really hurt us!!

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Reply #194 –
Quote from: Milhanna13 – on
It's the lack of young mids that worries me. After murph, Cripps and Gibbs, who is coming through??? Cunningham? Boekurst?  I had hopes for summer, with a full preseason, but he is kicking dew at the moment.  Where are our gun kids who can get 20 posses on a wing and look classy, every other team seems to have them. Hopefully Sam ps is as good as advertised!!!   Those few poor drafts have really hurt us!!

Agree. ...we lack semi mature mids who can impact...Nick Graham isnt up to it...Kerridge disposal is C grade and Ed Curnow is a defensive mid only.
None of the young kids are close but I am hoping SPS can give us some class....Pickett has talent but seems to play in bursts and is more a forward at this stage IMO..
Really annoyed seeing Jack Steele run around for the Saints....really impressed me today and is exactly what we need to help Cripps....not sure what SOS was doing or thinking with regards Steele.
He would have been a high priority GWS player for me..