Re: JLT game 3 Reply #180 – March 11, 2017, 08:41:14 pm It's a fu**ing disgrace and a searing indictment on our senior players and list management that we are expecting a kid barely out of his teens to fix our forward issues. He should not have his development compromised in any way simply to compensate for the idiocy of others. http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-03-09/boltons-longterm-plan-for-young-star-weiteringBolt-on is dead right :"I'm just really mindful that we as a club understand that he is only in his second year and if we chop and change things for him too randomly that can unsettle young players," Bolton said."So we just want to make sure he's totally solidified as a defender first and then he can grow into other roles."But the long-term plan is he can play at both ends and we've already started to do that, but we just haven't done it flippantly." Quote Selected
Re: JLT game 3 Reply #182 – March 11, 2017, 08:52:34 pm Quote from: Lods – on March 11, 2017, 05:16:34 pmThe problem is that once we sack them we'll never, never know That's why i said 'believed'. Those in charge make the calls. We don't like the calls, we don't keep them in charge.Quote from: PaulP – on March 11, 2017, 05:22:59 pmBooya. Booya yourself.That is not my opinion on the situation, that is the facts.Don't shoot the messenger. Quote Selected
Re: JLT game 3 Reply #183 – March 11, 2017, 08:55:58 pm The messenger in this instance was more than happy to see the back of Ratts, because the messenger believed that the decision made by those in charge was correct. It wasn't. Quote Selected
Re: JLT game 3 Reply #184 – March 11, 2017, 09:01:18 pm Quote from: PaulP – on March 11, 2017, 08:41:14 pmIt's a fu**ing disgrace and a searing indictment on our senior players and list management that we are expecting a kid barely out of his teens to fix our forward issues. He should not have his development compromised in any way simply to compensate for the idiocy of others. http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-03-09/boltons-longterm-plan-for-young-star-weiteringBolt-on is dead right :"I'm just really mindful that we as a club understand that he is only in his second year and if we chop and change things for him too randomly that can unsettle young players," Bolton said."So we just want to make sure he's totally solidified as a defender first and then he can grow into other roles."But the long-term plan is he can play at both ends and we've already started to do that, but we just haven't done it flippantly."Bolton has set himself a challenge with these comments....although he's probably left himself some wriggle room.How strongly does he stick to that plan if our forward line doesn't develop over the season.At what point does individual development give way to the need for team success.Should Weitering go forward later in the year and be a success it would be difficult to move him back. Quote Selected
Re: JLT game 3 Reply #185 – March 11, 2017, 09:05:38 pm Quote from: Lods – on March 11, 2017, 09:01:18 pmBolton has set himself a challenge with these comments....although he's probably left himself some wriggle room.How strongly does he stick to that plan if our forward line doesn't develop over the season.At what point does individual development give way to the need for team success.Should Weitering go forward later in the year and be a success it would be difficult to move him back.We'll find out soon enough Lods. Quote Selected
Re: JLT game 3 Reply #186 – March 11, 2017, 09:07:24 pm Quote from: PaulP – on March 11, 2017, 08:55:58 pmThe messenger in this instance was more than happy to see the back of Ratts, because the messenger believed that the decision made by those in charge was correct. It wasn't.According to who?I doubt you were even around on the site at the time. Even if you were, your memory is failing you.I'll have you know i was backing Ratten in up until the week he got sacked. The only reason i believed he would/should get sacked at that time was because the external pressure on him was so great that the club could not afford NOT to sack him.Funnily enough, it was the same with Mick. External pressure got to explosive stage where the club didn't have a choice.It was untenable in both instances. I've gone in to bat for Mick on many occasion as you'd know. Is that because i'm 'pro Mick' or is that because i'm anti-everyone else? The club has failed us on numerous occasions in numerous departments, both off-field and on. As you might recall my recent Membership stuff-up rant.I've had issues with the membership department.I've had issues with the development of players.I've had issues with the recruiting of the club (however, i've defended it to point out other areas of the club that are lacking - eg development)I've had issues with club culture.I've had issues with the board and overall direction of the club.So yes, i've defended Mick as not being that bad to highlight issues throughout the club. That does not mean i was pro-sacking of ratten in order to get mick.Get your facts straight and don't assume. Quote Selected
Re: JLT game 3 Reply #187 – March 11, 2017, 09:18:09 pm The club has a number of issues - this much we can agree on. Malthouse was, IMO, absolutely was one of those issues. I don't believe Ratts was. My impression, reading your posts over many years, is that you held Ratts directly accountable for the bad culture that you keep referring to, and that you believed Mick would be instrumental in fixing this "bad" culture. This is what my memory remembers - if that's not right, well then I apologize. Quote Selected
Re: JLT game 3 Reply #188 – March 11, 2017, 09:52:22 pm Quote from: PaulP – on March 11, 2017, 09:18:09 pmThe club has a number of issues - this much we can agree on. Malthouse was, IMO, absolutely was one of those issues. I don't believe Ratts was. My impression, reading your posts over many years, is that you held Ratts directly accountable for the bad culture that you keep referring to, and that you believed Mick would be instrumental in fixing this "bad" culture. This is what my memory remembers - if that's not right, well then I apologize.I'm not sure that Kruddler laid the blame for our situation solely on Ratts but his strident claims that Malthouse would "fix the culture" were a source of great amusement to anyone with Collingwood contacts (do I really want to admit that?). Quote Selected
Re: JLT game 3 Reply #189 – March 12, 2017, 12:26:02 am Either way, we won't know. Just like we don't know that Richardson may have made Ratten look good, and I have little doubt in my mind that in 2012, the group was that fractured Ratten couldn't have stayed.Had we appointed Richo back then we could be talking differently, but one thing we didn't do was our due diligence with any appointment going back to Wayne Brittain which sums up why it's taking us so long. Quote Selected
Re: JLT game 3 Reply #190 – March 12, 2017, 04:08:52 am Seriously a jlt game ... exposure during a soft preseason game isn't going to set anyone back or set anyone up. Quote Selected
Re: JLT game 3 Reply #191 – March 12, 2017, 09:35:26 am Quote from: PaulP – on March 11, 2017, 09:18:09 pmThe club has a number of issues - this much we can agree on. Malthouse was, IMO, absolutely was one of those issues. I don't believe Ratts was. My impression, reading your posts over many years, is that you held Ratts directly accountable for the bad culture that you keep referring to, and that you believed Mick would be instrumental in fixing this "bad" culture. This is what my memory remembers - if that's not right, well then I apologize.The bold part is right.I wanted Mick to fix the culture and thought he had enough 'c*nt' about him to force change up and down the hierarchy at the club and enough runs on the board to have the respect required. This was on the back of the rookie coach favourite son who simply didn't have the experience. We were still in "we are carlton f*ck the rest" mode and we needed a culture shock.I never blamed ratten for the culture. Denis Pagan however...... As i said, i was a fan of Ratten. He did wonders from where he got the club. His only issue was inexperience in both coaching/tactics and inexperience in setting up a club for long term success (partially not his problem, but could have helped). Ratten as our coach now would be better than Ratten as our coach back then. Quote Selected
Re: JLT game 3 Reply #192 – March 12, 2017, 11:04:45 am Does every feckin thread need to turn into a Ratten Malthouse Pagan discussion? FFS move on!!!! Quote Selected
Re: JLT game 3 Reply #193 – March 12, 2017, 11:09:35 am Quote from: Gointocarlton – on March 12, 2017, 11:04:45 amDoes every feckin thread need to turn into a Ratten Malthouse Pagan discussion? FFS move on!!!! Spot-on Gic.What the hell has 3 has-been dud coaches got to do with JLT game 3 ?? Quote Selected
Re: JLT game 3 Reply #194 – March 12, 2017, 11:16:06 am Quote from: Gointocarlton – on March 12, 2017, 11:04:45 amDoes every feckin thread need to turn into a Ratten Malthouse Pagan discussion? FFS move on!!!! I agree, sure It's reasonable and beneficial to study history, but not to poison every thread.Maybe all new threads should have the swear filter include the terms Pagan, Ratten and Malthouse... Quote Selected
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